Exactly.
On 21 Jul 2006, at 20:47, Rachel Pearcey wrote:
> If the giraffe moved it would just be being a giraffe
>
>
> On 21/7/06 19:29, "David Haley" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Sorry Rob, but that is a definition of pattern or form -the generic
>> (i.e. giraffe, human, dog, bicycle). Skin, hair, metal, rubber are
>> structure or materials.
>>
>> Now, if the giraffe moved, we might say the the giraffe was tracing
>> its
>> presence in space, or giraffe making.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 21 Jul 2006, at 16:24, Rob Appleby wrote:
>>
>>> A giraffe is not pattern, that would be like saying we are skin or
>>> hair rather than human
>>>
>>> rob
>>>
>>> On 21 Jul 2006, at 15:57, Duff, Leo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear David
>>>>
>>>> I agree with what you are saying as I too believe in 'connection' to
>>>> what we are doing , where we are etc and its influence on how we
>>>> are.
>>>>
>>>> Learning to draw, practicing drawing and keeping drawing is about
>>>> looking / seeing and constant learning and certinaly helps fine
>>>> tune the senses to the place, where ever it is. So, the marks we
>>>> observe which are phenomenonology, or which are environmental or
>>>> from
>>>> nature are noticed perhaps by those who draw regulalry more acutley
>>>> and interpreted in different ways. Just as photographers work with
>>>> composition and ''think'' with composition, a drawer interprets
>>>> marks
>>>> of the sort this conversation today has been about ?
>>>>
>>>> best wishes leo
>>>>
>>>> ps. I agree, giraffe, that is a pattern. My favourite confusing
>>>> definition of a category of drawing is pattern versus texture.
>>>>
>>>> Leo Duff
>>>> Faculty of Art,Design & Architecture
>>>> Kingston University
>>>> Knights Park
>>>> Kingston Upon Thames
>>>> Surrey KT1 2QJ
>>>> UK
>>>>
>>>> 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8492
>>>> fax : 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8471
>>>>
>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>> Leo, hi
>>>>
>>>> I continue to 'evolve' the notion of 'phenomenological drawing'.
>>>> Terrible name, but I use it to indicate the way in which things draw
>>>> themselves; and then how we might observe and reflect upon, and
>>>> maybe
>>>> influence, these marks. It is part of my practice as an ecological
>>>> artist and is something I develop in my Postgraduate Option,
>>>> 'Drawing
>>>> on Life' - how are we, as humans connected to our environment
>>>> (ground
>>>> and object / object and ground)?
>>>>
>>>> All the best
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Jul 2006, at 09:55, Duff, Leo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with your pupil, its a pretty tight and neat 'definition'.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, what about the more etheral or ephemeral ways of drawing.
>>>>> With these clear skies around where I live at present airplane jet
>>>>> trails make fabulous marks on the atmosphere (not entering a debate
>>>>> about global warming), marks on snow or on sand, and one of my
>>>>> favourites, shadows.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have in my office at Kingston an ever growing record of peoples
>>>>> works where they are pointedly attempting to 'Define Categories of
>>>>> Drawing'. if anyone is researching this subject I would be glad to
>>>>> share some of these with them .
>>>>>
>>>>> best wishes
>>>>>
>>>>> leo duff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Leo Duff
>>>>> Faculty of Art,Design & Architecture
>>>>> Kingston University
>>>>> Knights Park
>>>>> Kingston Upon Thames
>>>>> Surrey KT1 2QJ
>>>>> UK
>>>>>
>>>>> 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8492
>>>>> fax : 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8471
>>>>>
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> From: The UK drawing research network mailing list on behalf of
>>>>> Rachel
>>>>> Pearcey
>>>>> Sent: Fri 21/07/2006 08:46
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Definition of drawing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever makes a mark, on whatever takes a mark.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I will embroider that on a cushion.
>>>>> Rachel
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/7/06 8:38 am, "Rob Appleby" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> Just thought I would share this with you all. An 11 year old
>>>>> pupil of
>>>>> mine managed to define drawing after about half an hour of thinking
>>>>> and discussing.
>>>>> She thinks it is .... Whatever makes a mark, on whatever
>>>>> takes
>>>>> a mark.
>>>>> The future looks bright!
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob Appleby
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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