Hi Miekal et al
Thanks for your information about US martian poetry. I feel more kindly
towards it now. I always saw Raine's work as a not very interesting take on
defamiliarisation.
That conversation really demonstrated that, despite all the technology for
communicating and on-line mags etc, the gulf between poetry in the states
and poetry in the UK/Europe is wider than ever. I certainly feel less in
touch with US stuff than I did 10 or 20 years ago. Interesting to think it
was only 4 or 5 decades back that the fight was to get US literature
accepted in British Universities. That transatlantic histroy, the links
between Olson, Dorn, Prynne, Raworth, Berrigan, Harwood, Notley, Ashbery etc
don't seem to be there in the same way, although I think Raworth still reads
pretty regularly in the states.
But keep coming back to Spicer over and over without ever spending enough
time on him.
'The ground still squirming. The ground still not fixed as I thought it
would be in an adult world'
Ian
>From: mIEKAL aND <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: mIEKAL aND <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Why the English have staked the claim for Martian Poetry
>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:28:52 -0600
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>I guess I must be an ignorant oaf... I had never even heard of Craig
>Raine, or Martian Poetry as a movement invented by a couple of Brits. The
>Martian Poetry that I've encountered over the years is much more connected
>to glossolalia, invented language, linguistics, spiritualism, 'pataphysics
>& speculative fiction. The few examples that I've seen of Raine's
>iteration of Martian Poetry seems insulting to Martians everywhere.
>
>~mIEKAL
>
>On Jan 18, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Jane Holland' wrote:
>
>> Indeed, this whole thread is bizarre.
>>How could anyone not know that Craig Raine invented Martian poetry?! He
>>hasn't done much
>>since, let's face it!
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