Oh no it's me again - but this time I'm forwarding something
Carl Harris intended for the list. I'd responded to him alone
(because 1. I was getting a bit sensitive - yes even me! - to
dominating the discussion, and 2. it has more to do with a
clincial psy agenda than a community psy one). Anyway here
it is, with the attachment that Carl refers to - not anything
original - just a pragmatic translation of someone else's work.
Mark
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From: "Harris Carl (RQ3) BCH" <[log in to unmask]>
To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: RE: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Escaping the Critique
Date sent: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:36:12 -0000
Hello to all
I have just had a look at the document Mark attached to his
contribution (many thanks, Mark) and I did find it of interest. It
looks like a valuable set of questions for helping clinical
trainees,
qualified clinical psychologists or perhaps even other people,
look at
how structural factors within our society influence the
development of
individuals with whom they come into contact. The questions
are
valuable because they add significantly to the range of inquiry
typically suggested during training.
As Mark says, they are a practical tool (a lot of human beings
like
practical tools) for introducing factors (which a lot of us see as
important but which we might find hard to capture at an
individual
level) into case formulation (the principal vehicle for service
delivery for clinical psychologists) which enhances the
questions'
legitimacy in a clinical training setting. There is also space for
reflection on the activity, on how easy it is to find the
information
required to answer the questions, drawing attention to the
way in
which clinical psychology constructs the individuals it works
with.
For me, these questions form a span of the bridge between
the macro
and the micro.
What do others think? Could the questions be refined in any
way? Have
other people used them or similar in a training setting?
Cheers
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Burton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 07 December 2005 21:23
To: Harris Carl (RQ3) BCH
Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Escaping the Critique
Carl,
This is a somewhat oblique response, but you might find the
attached of interest. It was an attempt to translate Peter
Leonard's framework for understanding the societal
construction of persons, into a practical tool for what clinical
psychologists call case formulation! I used it a few times in a
teaching exercise with trainees who'd just done their adult
mental
health placement - with some really relating to it and others
left a
bit cold! Might also help some of those who are finding the
abstraction of the debate a bit difficult, judging from the most
recent postings! - But I'll try to maintain a bit of silence on the
list for a bit as I think I've been dominating it!
Best wishes
Mark
On 7 Dec 2005 at 14:27, Harris Carl (RQ3) BCH wrote:
> Dear All
>
> I am increasingly impressed with the level of debate going on
> amongst our company. Helpful moments of clarification have doubtless
> been occurring for many of us (as Mark's latest email suggests) as
> well as moments of increasing confusion for many of us (probably
> with significant overlap between the people in those two
> categories).
>
> If Grant's clarification regarding Mark's point reassures Mark to
> some extent and, furthermore, if Chomsky agrees with Baudrillard,
> then that may make some of us a little less suspicious of accounts
> appearing under the heading of "postmodern".
>
> Postmodernism still has a case to answer, however. Certainly in a
> clinical setting I have experienced its influences as: drawing
> greater attention to meaning rather than material circumstances as
> factors in people's lives; as acting as a fertilizer to increasingly
> inaccessible accounts of the world we live in; as promoting an
> idealist version of reality and challenging the notion of an
> external reality (and yes I do know that we are stuck with the
> inaccessibility of an objective reality but what I worry about is
> that definitions of reality tend to be made by those in positions of
> power).
>
> I have tried to say this as briefly and straightforwardly as
> possible, largely because I would like to see these ideas subjected
> to our joint scrutiny.
>
> I recognise that I have, in this communication, drawn us towards a
> clinical perspective and away from a more global one. I am afraid
> that, given the material circumstances within which I earn my
> living, it is likely that I will do so. I hope though, that this
> debate is one which can span the micro and macro and draw
> connections between them and the intervening levels of analysis.
>
> Yours in wage slavery
>
> Carl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Burton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 07 December 2005 13:40
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Escaping the Critique
>
> Grant,
> Thanks for the clarification. Good to know that it is't as bad as
> I'd believed!
>
> A good link to Dussel's work can be found at
> http://www.clacso.org/wwwclacso/espanol/html/libros/dussel/dussel.ht
> ml Much of it is in (a remarkably clear) Spanish, but there are some
> English references there too. A useful introduction is Alcoff, Linda
> Martin-Mendieta, Eduardo, Thinking form the Underside of History.
> Enrique Dussel's Philosophy of Liberation, Rowman and Littlefield,
> Maryland, 2000, 300 p. The key text is Ética de la liberación en la
> epoca de la globalización y la exclusión, 1998 Madrid, Trotta - soon
> to appear in translation from Duke University Press. Mark
>
> >
> > Thanks very much for this Mark, I have not read Dussel, but it
> > sounds as if I should, looking forward to finding out more about
> > him.
> >
> > You are probably thinking of Jean Baudrillard with regard to the
> > "the gulf war did not take place"? It is really just three short
> > essays, most of which were originally published in Liberation.
> > It's an entertaining read (although, I agree, a confection), but
> > not really sinister, he shows how the media was the main weapon in
> > a 'war' in which the outcome was never in doubt and which turned
> > into a risk free (for Western powers) 'turkey shoot' with American
> > and British forces massacring Iraqis. Chomsky said much the same
> > "As I understand the concept of 'war', it involves two sides in
> > combat, say shooting each other. That did not happen in the
> > gulf." (The Media and the War).
> >
> > Our project is the same - we can find ways to 'escape the
> > dialectic' and resist what Baudrillard calls 'monstrous and
> > unprincipled capital', I hope.
> >
> > Thanks again, Grant
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Burton
> > Sent: 06 December 2005 13:44 To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] Escaping the Critique
> >
> > Thanks Grant for that interesting posting.
> > In relation to the 'postmodern' I suppose I'd have to say 2
> > things. 1) I have used it in what was a brief piece as a kind of
> > shorthand (that risked losing all nuances) for the tendencies
> > towards extreme relativism and idealism (in the sense of denying
> > that there is a social reality - however hard to apprehend), and
> > of a denial of the possibility of what is usually called 'grand
> > narratives' - i.e. general theory of the world. So I apologise to
> > anyone who self defines as postmodernist that also rejects those
> > extremes, most notoriously expressed in a text (I forget by whom)
> > called something like "The Gulf War Didn't Happen". 2) I also want
> > to question that there is something that can be sensibly called a
> > 'postmodern condition' - i.e. as a theory of the state of the
> > world or of modern culture, it just seems inadequate to me, posing
> > a break with the modern, whereas what I see in imperialist
> > globalisation, in the extension of capital into all areas of life,
> > including culture (and Habermas is good on this - colonisatin of
> > the lifeworld) is an extension of the worst aspects of modernism -
> > modernism without enlightnment. This idea seems to have a lot in
> > common with the 'end of history' ideologists of triumphant
> > capitalism at the start of the 90s.
> >
> > For some time I bought the Habermasian line that tries to
> > recapture an emancipatory tradition in modernism, contrasting it
> > with the repressive, rationalising, mechanical modernism of the
> > capitalist machine. However, reading Enrique Dussel on philosophy
> > of liberation, I came to the view that this notion is very
> > Eurocentric, and the modernist project is beeply bound up in the
> > economics of capitalist expansion, the politics of colonisation
> > and empire, and the social psychology of exclusion. Instead Dussel
> > proposes a paradigm of transmodernity, that (and I don't have the
> > texts to hand to check exactly) tries to synthesise a liberatory
> > praxis and world view from the modernist ouvre together with other
> > world views - especially those excluded within and excluded
> > outside the totality of the system. Again these are difficult
> > ideas to grasp, (and I'm in great danger of oversimplifying and
> > caricaturing them), but this seems to me to suggest a way out of
> > the impasse of a stalled and flawed enlightenment project. Dussel
> > uses the term 'analectics' to capture this synthetic praxis - the
> > idea being to go beyond the dialectic model of
> > thesis-antithesis-synthesis (which Grant alludes to in the Lyotard
> > quote) to and instead to integrate a diversity of perspectives
> > (from the stanpoint of the many and diverse victims of the system
> > and their cultures and ideologies and from their allies within the
> > system- which might include 'critical' community psychologists) -
> > but within an integrative whole - not a fragmentary 'postmodern'
> > melange!
> >
> > I do have to come back to a strong sense of what's at stake hear.
> > We are living in a world dominated by a monster that is destroying
> > not just people, families, communities, wealth and welfare,
> > publically owned goods, cultures and ways of being, but also the
> > planet itself. That monster is the untamed capitalism resurgent
> > since the early 70s, now in a full blown expansionist phase. I
> > still see much of the postmodernist tradition as a fashionable
> > diversion that engages with this at the wrong level altogether -
> > that of the particular, often at the level of the word, rather
> > than at the level of social relations.
> >
> > Mark Buron
> >
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