Dear Matt,
Regarding your posting "I would be particularly keen to find out more
about the history of the CPUK movement. Has anyone documented the
origins, the ups and downs, the successes and perhaps failures of our UK
movement. Could anyone point me in the right direction for such
information?"
It is an interesting request because it allows us to remind ourselves
just how essential critical thinking is in relation to so-called
'history'. In my view, any account (see my last posting) but especially
historical accounts require critical reflection about whose interests
are being served by what is thought and written, what the ideological
implications of positions taken are and on where there is default to
reproduction of problematic assumptions.
What would constitute a movement? Should we include the founding of
journals and Chairs (institutional history) or everyday practice?
Should we include community psychology done by those who don't call
themselves and have never heard of community psychology? Should we write
histories which privilege the sort of community psychology with which we
identify and from which we benefit and which portray the sort of
community psychology we do as the inevitable endpoint of historical
processes?
In my own accounts I trace European community psychology as far as the
work of Marie Jahoda in the 1930s in Austria, Wales and England and
contest the domination of community psychology history writing by
colleagues in the USA, who usually trace community psychology back to
Swampscott and domestic US events in the 1960s, particularly
problematic.
Ian Parker, in the book I recommended last posting, writes that
(Foucault) "argued, for example, that historical accounts are always
produced from the standpoint of present-day practices, usually with the
function of legitimating the way we have come to do things or think
about ourselves" (Parker, 2005: 3).
David
David Fryer
Community Psychology Group
University of Stirling
FK9 4LA
Scotland
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From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Burton
Sent: 02 December 2005 2:41 pm
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] past conferences & history of the CPUK
movement.
You can read a history at
http://www.compsy.org.uk/Community_Psychology_in_Britain_History_version
%202_MB,CK.pdf
This is a chapter by Stephanie Boyle, Carl Harris, Carolyn Kagan and
myself - written for the forthcoming book editied by S Reich, M Reimer,
I prilleltenskky and M Montero on international community psy. It is of
course one of a number of possible histories, but it was based on
interviews and contributions / correspondence with a variety of people
in the field, many of whom are on the list. We have also tried to
analyse the relative lack of CP development in UK in a paper cited
within the book, and also avaialble on the www.compsy.org.uk site. Mark
Mark Burton
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have been reading with great interest the postings concerning the
> liberated clinical psychology / community psychology debate, and the
> explicit addressing of the notion of criticality. These discussions
> are the reason that I subscribed to the CPUK list. Thanks to all for
> the continuing richness of the food for thought.
>
>
>
> I was sorry not to have been at the recent conference and I hope that
> I will be able to come along to the next one! Yarmouth sounds good to
> me. Sliding scales of fees sounds very useful and facillitative.
>
>
>
> It feels to me that this is a particularly challenging period for
> 'psychology', and (perhaps naively?) I think that there is scope to
> counter some of the harm that is often done in the name of helping, as
> I sense a growing awareness of the actual roots and influences inherit
> in instituionalised psychology ( health or university) settings.
>
>
>
> I would be particularly keen to find out more about the history of the
> CPUK movement. Has anyone documented the origins, the ups and downs,
> the successess and perhaps failures of our UK movement. Could anyone
> point me in the right direction for such information?
>
>
>
> Regards, Matt.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Fryer
> Sent: 30 November 2005 21:42
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] how many of the total number of organisers
> have been clinical psychologists?
>
>
>
> Here are some UK CP conferences I recall . . . ish:
>
>
>
> Birmingham (clinical: Penny etc )
>
> Exeter (clinical: Annie etc)
>
> Glasgow (community: Mark Wilson)
>
> London (clinical: ?)
>
> Manchester (community: Carolyn K etc)
>
> Newark (clinical: Steve Melluish etc)
>
> Newcastle (clinical: Jan etc)
>
> Stirling (community: David F. and Steve McKenna etc)
>
>
>
> May be more?
>
> Maybe others can fill in the gaps?
>
>
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Penny
> Priest
> Sent: Wed 30/11/2005 20:59
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] On the subject of conferences...
>
> I wonder, out of the 5 (?) UK Critical and Community Psychology
> conferences, how many of the total number of organisers have been
> clinical psychologists?
> I was involved organising the 3rd conference in Birmingham which was
> organised, with the exception of one counselling psychologist, by
> clinical
> psychologists, all belonging to the West Mids Critical and Community
> Psychology Interest Group.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul@home" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [COMMUNITYPSYCHUK] On the subject of conferences...
>
>
>> My extended response to some recent emails:
>>
>> Nice to see you contributing to the discussion David S! Sorry, but I
> use
>> the
>> term 'being critical' rather than 'problematizing' and I see
> criticality
>> as
>> a virtue where I work (university), particularly as this year some of
> our
>> psychology students have to take a mandatory course on 'learning and
>> employability' (New Labour has not only landed in academia, it taking
> up
>> roots!!). It is increasingly difficult to be critical in higher
> education,
>> some of us our facing threats, bullying and abuse for being critical.
> For
>> me
>> it would be a shame for the com psy network to be a place where we
> were
>> discouraged from being critcal also.
>>
>> I really admire Tony Benn but I didn't vote labour last time and
>> won't next. Tony Benn has minimal if any influence over the Labour
>> Party. If I had ever
>> joined the Labour Party, I am sure that I would have left under Tony
>> Blair's
>> stewardship irrespective of Tony Benn's decision to stay on.
>>
>> I have met and communicated with students on clinical psychology
> training
>> programmes who are either being crushed by the dominant clinical
> training
>> system which gives them little or no room to think community
>> psychologically on their courses (results in any community psychology
>> they receive
> being
>> less a life line but more the glare of the spotlight from the prison
>> guards as they attempt their escape from mainstream clinical
>> practice) to
> those
>> students who are being crushed directly by their community psychology
>> clinical supervisors. I don't just think this is a problem on the
> clinical
>> psy training progs alone. For those of us who teach psychology, we
> often
>> forget the brutalising system that we are a part of and that much of
> what
>> we
>> do does the work of the system, as much as we think it doesn't. You
> cannot
>> be a community educationalist in a university setting. I could
> actually
>> name
>> the names of the community psychologists in the education system who
> are
>> crushing psychology students in this way. It is deeply unprofessional
> of
>> me
>> to do so, but what the heck. I will be the first (public) whistle
> blower.
>> The first one I want to name and shame is Paul Duckett at Manchester
>> Metropolitan University.
>>
>> Back to clinical psychology. Clinical Psychology isn't just an
> arbitrary
>> label, it is a powerful social signifier that conveys status, power
> and
>> authority and conveys privileges. For those of you who are clinical
>> psychologists, you may not recognise it, but a fish may not be aware
> of
>> the
>> water in which it swims - take it out of the water, and it soon will!
> For
>> me, David F's comments were like grabbing the tales of clinical
>> psychologists and threatening to take them out the goldfish bowl. The
>> reaction from the clinical psychologists among us was, I am sad to
> say,
>> fairly predictable.
>>
>> Clinical psychology has been one of the most prized identities within
> the
>> discipline of psychology and every year I watch psychology students
> get
>> brutalised in the awful scramble to secure a place on a clinical
> training
>> course (only one or two are ever successful) and every year I see
> doctoral
>> students brutalised as they scratch and claw in their attempts to
>> keep
> on
>> their clinical training place. Let's not forget that. And let's not
> forget
>> that to keep a hold on the title of 'clinical psychologist' is much
> more
>> than an arbitrary decision. It is a bit like the use of the title
> "Docor"
>> more broadly. When I use the title "Dr" It affords me many privileges
> (a
>> nice table in the restuarant, flight upgrades, unusual levels of
> patience
>> and courtesy from my bank manager and so on and so forth - that is
> until
>> they discover I am not a 'real' doctor). Notice, I still need to let
> you
>> know that I am a doctor, so that I retain the power identify even
>> when
> I
>> seem to be giving it up: ie.
>>
>> P: 'Please don't call me doctor, I prefer you just call me paul
>> CPUK: 'Wot? I never knew you were a doctor, wow!'
>> Paul: 'Yes, well, I don't really like to talk about it ... you know
> ...
>> being a doctor and everything .... I hardly ever like to mention that
> I am
>> a
>> doctor ..... I get so embarrassed when the waiter shouts out "Hey,
> Doctor
>> Duckett, your table is ready". Gosh, I get sooooo embarrassed. Why
> can't
>> we
>> just all be equals? I just hate those social hierachies. So does my
> friend
>> Dr Fryer, by the way.'
>>
>> For some, particularly those who have survived the psychiatric
>> system, clinical psychology is also a signify of the most appauling
>> oppression
> and
>> cruelty. Sure, you can be a community psychologist who works in
> clinical
>> psychology. Same as you can be a vegetarian who happens to work in an
>> abattoir. That is fine. In both instances you may carry a sick bag
> with
>> you
>> to work as you will probably want to vomit at most things you see
>> happening around you and some of the things you are asked to do
>> yourself. Also, don't
>> be surprised if when I invite you to one of my vegetarian candle lit
>> suppers, I politely ask you not to talk in detail about what you do
> for a
>> living as it might put some of my other dinner guests off their food.
>> Note, I also feel the same could be said of survivors of the
>> education
> system
>> and
>> working as a community psychologist in academia.
>>
>> In relation to Mark B's comments, The Rotary Club is a voluntary
>> organisation. That doesn't mean that we should refrain from being
> critical
>> as to their activities from time to time. The Hitler Youth began as a
>> voluntary organisation. I could give many more examples, but I won't.
> I
>> think I have made my point. Philanthropy is no protection from
> critical
>> scrutiny. The European Community Psychology Network would dive for
> cover
>> from critical scrutiny using the same rationale of philanthropy. If
>> anything, we should focus our critical gaze more attentively as the
> vested
>> interests of the philanthropists may be more difficult to discern if
> we
>> cannot see the immediate monetary gain they are securing. This is not
> a
>> personal attack on colleagues from Great Yarmouth or those CPUK
> members
>> who
>> are clinical and proud. These are my critical commentaries on the
>> arguments and discourses circulating in recent CPUK emails.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> paul
>>
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