Have you ever tried to contact them, or is your
interest just academic?


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   Faeries, the Dead and Storms
   fairies
   nefelodioktai
   Nefelodioktai (3)
   The coolest of Yules ...

   Faeries, the Dead and Storms
      Faeries, the Dead and Storms (12/20)
From: steve ash <[log in to unmask]>

   fairies
      Re: fairies (12/20)
From: Caroline Tully <[log in to unmask]>

   nefelodioktai
      Re: nefelodioktai (12/20)
From: Andrija Filipovic <[log in to unmask]>

   Nefelodioktai
      Re: Nefelodioktai (12/20)
From: Andrija Filipovic <[log in to unmask]>
      Re: Nefelodioktai (12/20)
From: Richard Ramsay <[log in to unmask]>
      Re: Nefelodioktai (12/20)
From: Tim Holland <[log in to unmask]>

   The coolest of Yules ...
      The coolest of Yules ... (12/20)
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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 01:33:07 +0000
> From: steve ash <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Faeries, the Dead and Storms
>
> I'm doing a lot of research on the Fey at the
> moment,
> though mainly from more of a practical magic /
> experiential context than a scholarly one, but from
> the scholarship I have read on the subject I would
> put
> forward the following observations:
>
> 1) The Dead and Faerie, there does indeed seem to be
> a
> strong link between the Dead and the Fey, both in
> terms of ancestral connections (and not just the
> Plantagenets!) and in terms of known dead people
> returning as or with the Fey. There are also
> phenomenal parallels, but these may be just that,
> general similarities between 'non physical'
> entities.
> On the other hand there are also dissimilarities and
> even stipulation that the dead, the ancestors and
> the
> Fey are quite distinct.
>
> What this indicates to me is that the Dead > Fey
> transformation is an untypical one, that is it was
> believed that *some* dead people became Fey, and
> *some* ancestors were Fey, but by no means all. Just
> as the Fey > Living transformation was not universal
> either, that is some babies (Changelings) were of
> Fey
> origin, but by no means all.
>
> The kinds of humans who became Fey tended to be
> those
> who
> had close contact with them or with nature in some
> way.
> Emphasising that the universalisation of the post
> mortem fate is a recent invention, perhaps Christian
> in origin.
>
> With tongue partly in cheek, I might also want to
> refer to the appearance of a 'Ufonaut' called
> 'Adamski' shortly after the death of contactee
> George
> Adamski.
>
>
> 2) Storms and Faerie, I've read of storms being
> summoned by various 'witches' through the
> manipulation
> of 'elemental' Fey. There is even the claim that
> some
> Cornish Wreckers evoked, or predicted the activity
> of,
> storm sprites under the general Fey term Bucca, to
> sink ships. And why not they didn't have reality TV
> then :)
>
> And surely the concept of 'Demons' largely arises
> from
> such stormy, 'elemental spirits', particularly in
> ascetic, anti natural, religions? After all Asmodeus
> probably comes from a stormy Persian sprite whose
> name
> meant 'fury', and in tales of church bells, they are
> said to be to ward off the demons of storm and
> prevent
> lightning strike. Then we have the 'demonic' aerial
> spirits and the likes of Shemyaza etc etc.
>
> Apologies if I repeated anything already said, as
> its
> been hard keeping track of all these messages. :)
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:38:59 +1100
> From: Caroline Tully <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: fairies
>
> >>I read somewhere of another Christian explanation
> for fairies which is
> specific to Norway. In Norwegian, they're called the
> Underjordiske Folk,
> 'Under-the-Earth People'. Well, one of Paul's
> epistles states that "at the
> name of Jesus every knee shall bow, both of those in
> Heaven, on earth, and
> those under the earth." So there you go -- that
> PROVES fairies exist, and
> are properly reverent towards Jesus.
> Jacqueline<<
>
>
> And being "under the earth" might link them to The
> Dead - maybe Paul was
> refering to the actual dead, and maybe the Norwegian
> interpretation assumes
> this means fairies... maybe. Fascinating stuff
> anyway. Fairies are under the
> earth in Ireland too (in raths, as I gather from
> reading "The Good People"
> by Peter Narvaez (ed), Uni of Kentucky Press and
> "The Burning of Bridget
> Cleary" by Angela Bourke...). I used to be quite
> manic about researching
> fairies - mainly in regards to Scottish witches who
> mentioned fairies in
> their confessions, but my research efforts seem to
> have lapsed in favour of
> other topics, although I'm still extremely
> interested in them, and fairy
> healers too, like say, Biddy Early.
>
> So many great topics... I need an assistant.
>
>
>
> ~Caroline.
> > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:43:30 +0100
> From: Andrija Filipovic <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: nefelodioktai
>
> ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Digest - 17 Dec 2005 to 18 Dec
> 2005 (#2005-19)----- Original Message -----
> From: "Caroline Tully" <[log in to unmask]>
>
> > The (ancient?) Greek is Nephele, you probably
> already know that, and is
> > the name in mythology of cloud-like beings,
>
> I must admit that I do not know who Nephele are.
>
> > Guessing (without
> > reading the actual text) that it may have
> something to do with the
> > weather...
>
> Yes, it does.
>
> Andrija
> > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 12:43:54 +0100
> From: Andrija Filipovic <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Nefelodioktai
>
> ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC Digest - 17 Dec 2005 to 18 Dec
> 2005 (#2005-19)----- Original Message -----
> From: "jacqueline simpson"
> <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
> > Wow! Utterly fascinating. The idea of rival local
> > gangs of magicians engaged in magical warfare
> links up
> > in some ways with the battles of the Italian
> > benandanti which Ginzberg discovered (though these
> > don't use storms in their battles).
>
> Oh, it definitely links up. However, I do not
> necessarily see them as
> "magicians". In southwestern parts of Serbia, people
> compare zduhac with
> witches because of their ability to leave their
> body, again drawing
> comparison with Corsica's Dream Hunters. Zduhac are
> similar to witches and
> mora because they can pass through keyholes and
> create chaos in a household.
> Some say that the person thought to be a zduhac
> falls asleep just before a
> storm, wherever she may be, and her soul leaves her
> body, flying up to the
> clouds and fighting against the storm spirits. In
> Montenegro, people believe
> that a zduhac/witch "is not alone" :- in other
> words, that some powerful
> spirit lives within her, which helps her in
> everything. In Herzegovina,
> people believe that a zduhac is a person who has
> stepped over "the Devil's
> dinner" and as a result, the Devil has given her a
> great power.
>
> In Herzegovina and western Serbia, people believe
> that men, women and even
> children can be a zduhac. In some areas it is even
> believed that some
> animals like shepherds' hounds, oxen and rams can
> carry the spirit of
> zduhac. Shepherds believe that oxen and dogs make
> especially good zduhaci
> because they protect the cattle in the best possible
> way:- through dream. A
> zduhac is born, not made, though there are some
> exceptions from this rule.
>
> > Someone must
> > definitely write an article on this -- and send it
> to
> > 'Folklore'!
>
> Understood!
>
> Andrija
> > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 09:00:23 -0500
> From: Richard Ramsay <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Nefelodioktai
>
> I was wondering whether these 'cloud-battles' might
> have any link to the story that armies were seen
> fighting in the sky during the First World War (at
> Mons, specificaly, I believe). I don't think these
> were storms as such but presumably the way that the
> clouds can take on shapes (as Hamlet and Polonius
> discuss).
>
> The idea of armies in the sky was certainly one that
> I heard myself from my paternal father although it
> may have been mediated by my parents. I don't know
> if it has earlier historical antecedents. Isn't
> there something Homeric about this anyway?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Richard
> > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:26:10 -0000
> From: Tim Holland <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Nefelodioktai
>
> Theres a very good analysis of the Angel of Mons
> story
> http://www.worldwar1.com/heritage/angel.htm which
> I'm afraid says there was
> nothing specifically odd about the cloud formations
> on the day. The story
> does illustrate the power of a legend to touch the
> collective though.
> Tim
> >
> > I was wondering whether these 'cloud-battles'
> might have any link
> > to the story that armies were seen fighting in the
> sky during the
> > First World War (at Mons, specificaly, I believe).
> I don't think
> > these were storms as such but presumably the way
> that the clouds
> > can take on shapes (as Hamlet and Polonius
> discuss).
> >
> > The idea of armies in the sky was certainly one
> that I heard
> > myself from my paternal father although it may
> have been mediated
> > by my parents. I don't know if it has earlier
> historical
> > antecedents. Isn't there something Homeric about
> this anyway?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:03:20 +0000
> From: David Green <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: The coolest of Yules ...
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Just wanted to wish everyone a cool Yule, happy
> holidays, etc.
>
> Have been off-line for a few days as kids have been
> ill - I would say that home has been like an
> explosion in a diced carrot factory, but will spare
> you all the details - but want to welcome the newest
> members to the list. Please feel free to post an
> introduction to the list (even you lurkers out
> there).
>
> Trying to type in between the kids' various
> expulsions also meant that my last message regarding
> the list was a little more terse than I meant it to
> be. What I meant to say is that the list is set up a
> democratic community and as long as the majority
> wish to keep it as an e-mail based list - as appears
> to be the case - rather than online fora then no
> changes will be made. I think that periodic
> discussion of this is useful and thanks for
> everyone's opinions.
>
> Also few people have been in touch off-list and it
> seems that digest mails seem to be the main area of
> concern for members as due to the volume of posts to
> the list they can be difficult to decipher. I will
> contact Jiscmail to see if there is a way of easing
> this problem.
>
> Thanks again for joining up and the quality of
> discussions thus far ....
>
> BB/93/Best Wishes,
>
> Dave
>
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