Hi all,
I just re-read that email i send out. There is a typo. Malaysia is NOT the
biggest producers of BIofuel. What it should have said is, "Malaysia is the
biggest producers of Palm Oil". As such, they want to start producing
Biofuel from the 'abundant' supply of Palm oil here.
sorry :)
yunus
>From: Susan Ballard <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Susan Ballard <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [Fwd: [GP-Climate] Biofuels & forest]
>Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:05:53 -0000
>
>Chris, If you lived life as you so frequently advocate surely you would not
>be participating on this list. Susan
>
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>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Christopher McCOY
>Sent: 24 November 2005 10:17
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [Fwd: [GP-Climate] Biofuels & forest]
>
>
>As I have said several times previously on this Forum, many of the efforts
>that are underway or intended to address all issues currently of interest,
>however well meaning, may not always be correct. That is in many respects
>because there are CONSEQUENCES to almost everything, to all decisions no
>matter what those decisions are, unless the decision/s are correctly
>balanced. Unless you tune in to the "correct/balanced" way (common theme in
>all things) and let that "work" for you, this imbalance will remain the
>case, always oscillating up and down (e.g "fashions" in society, in
>science,
>in Habitat etc management, in knowing our place in the scheme of things,
>etc
>for example). To get closer to the "correct/balanced" way the best way is
>not to try at all, but to accept/simplify/etc; but another possible way
>that
>can only approach the aim is for persons to inherently understand and
>appreciate where everything comes from in their lives, and t! he
>consequences of all things, making somewhat more informed decisions with
>hopefully fewer Consequences, whether good or bad, and hopefully therefore
>less impact upon other (e.g. Wildlife/Environmental/Health) factors.
>Striving for what is deemed a positive outcome for whatever reason will
>always lead ultimately to theswing to, or simultaneuous creation of, an
>outcome deemed less positive. The same is true in reverse. The more correct
>answer lies in the Middle. (Examples in everyday experience at an extremely
>simplistic level and looking at one line of reasonging only for space
>reasons: Expect Excellent Health all the time = people live longer =
>overpopulation = massive resource usage and death of foodstuffs = increased
>demand upon all Life, etc...; Another: Peoploe want continued Electricity
>usage as demanded = some Suggest "Renewable Energy" systems used = Many
>people misrepresented/misunderstand implications and reality of such
>systems
>= Strive furventl! y to introduce such as currently fashionable = consume
>extra raw materials/resources in addition to keeping oil/petro industry
>going for raw materials = scour landscape and marine environment habitats
>plus keep people in front of computer screens/industry etc = keeps people
>away from Nature and Life = cannot survive without skills in Climate
>variation/Food shortages/War/any similarl event = Collapse of Society due
>to
>its fragile Nature = massive reduction in Human population = return to
>Planetary balance...
>
>(Just some very simplistic threads....)
>
>Demand for fuel types and energy has these sorts of consequences. Demand
>for
>so-called (but not-actually) "Renewable Energy" has others, despite it
>fasionable nature at present. Get tuned in to Nature, and not the way
>Humans
>want to live at the present time, or how Humans have educated you, or how
>your particular Human Culture and Workplace absorbs you into its own way,
>and you'll greatly appreciate more of the common theme that existence is,
>and you'll hopefully make all decisions in Life at a more simple level -
>with inherent reduced impact upon yourself and everything elseand many
>benefits - and in a way that allows you to see Society and reality in a
>True
>perspective - thus over time helping society to become good, but more
>balanced, in a gentle helpful way.
>
>The Idea that I aim to further addresses most aspects of the common theme
>that is Life in all its forms from the most mundane day-to-day, to genuine
>Living skills (not Computer bits), to the creative, to the most "deep", the
>Origins of all things, and the Consequences of them, amongst other things.
>I
>have said before that this is the only viable way, and the above is one way
>of looking at why. Whether the issue is food, fuel, going to work, reality,
>buying gifts, using electricity, bus of car o! r train, city or country
>living, Human or Non-Human issues, Politics, putting food on the table,
>NHS,
>health, etc etc ... this is the way to proceed.
>
>There, laid out on the table a little bit ...
>Anyone interested in the Idea in question, please feel free to make contact
>!
>
>All the Best!,
>
>Chris. McCOY
>
>Mohamed Yunus Yasin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>Hi All,
> >
> >http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18825265.400 22 November 2005
> >Forests paying the price for biofuels
>
>I have posted a few times to the list, but by way of introd. I am yunus,
>and
>
>I live in Malaysia.
>
>Malaysia is the biggest producers of Biofuel. Recently, the M'sian
>government announced its new initiative to promote biodiesel by building 3
>biodiesel plants to produce 180,000tons of biodiesel. I have not done the
>math, but does this would mean that we are moving away from producing palm
>oil for food and producing them for fuel instead.
>
>2 problems I see coming from this
>1) we may have food shortage in the future as more arable land is used for
>fuel and not food (people like Amatya Sen argue that we have enuf' food
>now,
>
>the probles is with distribution networks).
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1357462,00.html
>2) The destructioin of forest, which is already happening via lumbering,
>agriculture, dumbing of toxic waste in forests etc etc. Some estomate that
>at the current level of destruction, there will be no more rain forest in
>10
>
>years.
>
>I do not like both scenarios.
>
>peace
>yunus
>
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