Could I repeat the request that people should put something in the subject
line. This makes it much easier to follow the string of correspondence. I
suspect it may help the JISCMAIL server to classify all the message as a
string on the website.
Mr suggests gentry, possibly only minor gentry, and may include clergy. The
'cow in the churchyard' might arise from a number of contexts:
* Its owner might be the incumbent, in which case you should be able to
identify that fact from other sources.
* He might be might be the lay rector of a parish where the incumbent was a
vicar or a perpetual curate. In such parishes, the ownership of grazing in
the churchyard would depend on what was determined when a vicarage was first
created following the impropriation of the rectory by some monastery. The
lay rector would (I think) normally be classed as gentleman, since he was
living on income from land, rather than from the land itself. In one parish
near here, the appropriation was relatively late and there was only a
perpetual curate. The churchyard appears on a map of the lord of the
manor's property (probably because he was also lay rector) and he was
receiving a rent for it.
* He might merely be renting the grazing from one of the above.
If Mr Bardolphe was a gentleman, I would have expected that some record of
what land he owned would have survived somewhere. If he was a clergyman, I
would have expected that something would be traceable in ecclesiastical
records, such as his being instituted to the living or licensed to preach.
However the latter is not my field.
Peter King
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From: From: Local-History list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Frank Clement-Lorford
Sent: 10 November 2005 20:26
To: Peter Wickham King
Subject:
Mary, I am not sure about the area, but he is listed as Mr John Bardolphe.
His final item was a cow in the Churchyard. The fact that he is called Mr,
and the cow on the church yard implies he was a member of the clergy and the
rest of the property implies a certain amount of wealth.
Frank
Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. Oscar Wilde
1854-1900
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From: From: Local-History list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Mary Carrick
Sent: 10 November 2005 19:19
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject:
This is just an informed guess but I do know that 'painted cloths' mentioned
in
probate inventories for the Holderness area of Yorkshire about the same time
were the 'poor man's tapestries'; as such they were hung on the walls as
decoration. Do you think that 'staine cloathes' might be a local word for
the
same thing. You do not mention the area of the country in which the will was
drawn up but have discovered that local terms for everyday items are just
that
- local - and can vary within a very small area.
Mary
Quoting Frank Clement-Lorford <[log in to unmask]>:
> Hi, in transcribing an itemised will in 1602, items in the parlour
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> It is a vulgar error to suppose that America was ever discovered. It was
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