He everyone, I wanted to weigh in on this discussion with a question -- should we be considering the need to refuse heavy socialization here? Let me explain. What I am thinking about is that the artists I have known well (not that many, but a few) have all struck me as remarkably free of the need to conform to cultural expectations, almost a need to work against these in order to see beyond the expected to create art. If this is true of lots of artists than perhaps what you are discussing as freedom from commitment to groups is simply necessistated by avoidance of socialization pressures.
Does that lead anywhere?
Jo
Mary Jo Hatch
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From: Aesthetics, Creativity, and Organisations Research Network on behalf of Jürgen Bergmann
Sent: Mon 10/31/2005 12:38 PM
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Subject: Re: Commitment and social creativity
Hi Ken,
thanks for that answer!
I completly agree with you,
and especially with your thougt:
"It seems to me that refusing commitment as a
conditioned reaction does not demonstrate
personal independence or artistic freedom."
What I meant was freedom of commitment.
Jürgen
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Gesendet: Montag, 31. Oktober 2005 07:55
Betreff: Commitment and social creativity
> Dear Philippe and Jürgen,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. I have puzzled on this
> for many years. It's clear that this phenomenon
> describes the actual behavior of artists. What is
> less clear to me is that this should be so. I'm
> not asking "why" this is so. I know why it is so.
> I am asking, rather, whether it is necessarily
> so. I do not believe that this kind of behavior
> is necessarily an aspect of creativity or
> artistry.
>
> One of the interesting research streams for a
> group such as AACORN involves asking what kinds
> of systems can function as robust artistic
> networks. So far, I have managed to identify more
> questions than answers.
>
> This is an important issue for artists who hope
> to generate social change, to influence
> organizations, or to function in expanded frames
> of art that transcends the boundaries of a
> specific physical work. It is also significant
> for artists who hope to develop or work in
> organizations -- nonprofit organizations and art
> organizations as well as businesses. This applies
> to most artists who do not inherit wealth or have
> a generous and undemanding patron.
>
> I was wrestling with the issue again in a chapter
> for a recent book from MIT Press titled _At A
> Distance: Precursors to Internet Art and
> Activism_. For that chapter, I borrowed a line
> from Adam Smith to write about "The wealth and
> poverty of networks."
>
> It seems to me that refusing commitment as a
> conditioned reaction does not demonstrate
> personal independence or artistic freedom. As a
> conditioned reaction, refusing to accept any
> commitment simply because one is requested to
> make a commitment is a pathological symptom. I'm
> leaving for Taiwan in a couple of hours, so I
> will have to think on this for a while before
> posting again. My intuition, however, is to say
> that there must be some form of healthy
> commitment that involves the right balance of
> social cohesion and personal freedom.
>
> Think about some of the great liberation
> movements of the 20th century -- Hind Swaraj and
> satyagraha in India, the American civil rights
> movement, the anti-war movement that finally
> ended the Viet Nam War, the Velvet Revolution in
> Czechoslovakia, Solidarity in Poland, the
> anti-apartheid struggle in South Africa. They
> worked because human beings asked for commitment
> and other human beings responded by committing
> themselves.
>
> These movements involved social artistry and
> social creativity, not entirely in the direction
> that we think of when we speak of "art," but very
> much in the direction we hope for when artists
> move toward similar kinds of goals. Consider, for
> example, Joseph Beuys's movement for direct
> democracy or the Free International University.
> The directions were similar, but these artistic
> networks functioned without commitment, and
> failed, therefore, to achieve their stated goals.
>
> As social sculpture, I'd have a hard time arguing
> that the movement for direct democracy was more
> successful than Solidarity in Poland or SNCC (the
> Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee) in
> Alabama. In contrast, I have observed
> significantly higher levels of organizational
> pathology in art organizations than in creative
> social organizations.
>
> The evidence of organizational learning suggests
> that commitment, empathy, and trust have a great
> deal to do with creativity. If this is so, it
> follows that refusing commitment is not a
> necessary condition of artistic creativity, but a
> factor that inhibits creativity in some
> circumstances and defeats the possibility of
> artistic achievement in others.
>
> Much to think about here.
>
> Yours,
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> Philippe Mairesse wrote:
>
> Ken,
> It works!
> and I must say that receiving, as a test, such a beautiful thing as this
> catalogue-artwork of yours... is great!
>
> I loved your comments about the strength-weakness of networks...it
> reactivated my thoughts about commitment and volunteering, as seen in art
> activities: my observation is that artists commit themselves only when
they
> are totally free of any commitment...it could explain the no-feed back you
> got : since people were ASKED to return the books... they precisely
> didn't...The difficulty is : how to get what you want without asking for
it.
> This seems to be a necessary condition for collaborative working in
> art...and maybe everywhere else (love)
> (breeding)(teaching)(caring)(living)(dying?)
>
> --
>
> Jürgen Bergmann wrote:
>
> Hi Philippe,
> you got it!
> This is exactly the reason
> why it is so difficult
> to realise real artwork
> within the business context.
>
> The result is in general
> nothing else as follows:
>
> " Le projet sera d'un caractère unique à travers
> un projet d'art exceptionnel que réaliseront des
> artistes de renommé. En collaboration étroite
> avec les architectes, les paysagistes et les
> maîtres d'ouvrage l'aménagement prendra un aspect
> sans pareil."
>
> This kind of artistic commitment
> is not soustainable
> and dilutes conscience
> in commercial opportunism.
>
> The lack of futur
> now
> is the decadence
> of a value system
> without values.
>
>
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