On Fri, 16 Sep 2005, Gordon, JC (John) wrote:
> I don't see the problem Henry. The Site manager is the individual who
> has overall responsibility for the operation of a Site, not the
> operation of the institute. At RAL we do not control the firewall but we
> have a process for requesting and justfying the opening of ports.
Over-simplified: I don't see how the "Site manager" has *overall*
responsibility for a Grid site when he is reporting to /justifying
decisions to others. The "Institute manager" surely has some
responsibility for the Grid site, just by ensuring that its activities
don't mess up other work at Brunel.
While I admit to a certain level of CYA in my position that
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> - Experiments/VOs wishing to operate services on hosts inside Brunel
> University's network and/or externally visible within the brunel.ac.uk
> domain must apply in writing to the head to Computer Services here.
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the reason that I keep repeating it is that that *is* the situation, even
if it is disguised by the Site manager acting as a middleman.
Of course this is also true for the existing Grid services - CE, SE etc. -
but for those we have already been through the whole discussion of pool
accounts/certificates/AUPs/incident reporting etc. etc. and have agreed to
a set of restrictions to operate under; and indeed we are now in the
situation where complete strangers can instantly get an account and run
jobs on our machines - that's a major leap forward, but one that must not
be taken for granted.
(At least some of) the VO-box ideas floating around are different enough
that we would have to go round this loop again, yet we have not seen any
concrete proposals and as Simon has pointed out we are not even being
shown any of the advantages that the experiments expect to gain.
Henry
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