OK - time for some clarification
1) The idea of choosing where to work wasn't in any way
meant ot suggest hypermobility - indeed that would conflict
with the point about change taking too long. But there are
more favourable niches (within the same city, organisation etc
too) and some places where the balance of power just makes
it a bad use of energy and time - sometimes we can come
back at these settings later.
2) With regard to individualism - without wanting to go over
the whole agency vs structure debate I'd just say we need to
look at this one dialectically - the comments were adressed to
individual actors,but who live in social contexts. As Engels (I
think) said - 'people make hisotry, but not in the
circumstances of their own choosing'. We have agency, but it
is socially created and we use it in a social (societal) context.
Translated tht means that I relaly don't think that encouraging
people to take responsibility and make decisions about their
use of energy for collective wellbeing is an individualistic
recipe!
Mark
On 14 Sep 2005 at 13:57, Harris Carl (RQ3) BCH wrote:
> Dear All
>
> This debate has moved too fast for me to keep hold of all the points
> but I find that I am experiencing a tension (subjective embodied
> experience - thankyou David Smail) that tells me that I am about to
> speak. So here goes.
>
> On the one hand it seems that we have had a series of statements and
> related, developing responses. It seems that by doing this talking we
> are doing part of the business of supporting the survival of these
> movements.
>
> On the other hand, I thought I should respond to a specific point in
> case I gave people the impression that I was just in it for the
> waffle.
>
> No, I am not happy that people end up hearing that they may need to
> move to find places where community and critical notions survive. But
> I am glad to hear that such places exist.
>
> Is there a list of such places, or would it be possible to produce
> one? Would such a community resource represent a move forward from the
> individualistic and voluntaristic assumptions that we find it hard to
> avoid (living as we do in a voluntaristic and individualistic
> hegemony)?
>
> How do such places develop? I am in one right now. I have to say that
> getting to this place required a lot of luck (ie, a fantastic vacancy
> happened on my doorstep, thanks, to some extent, to the election of a
> Labour government at the end of the 20th century) and some
> risk/voluntarism (I left an established position to do a short-term
> contract, aren't I great?, although it was better paid than my old job
> and, as a clin psych, you have a good chance of another job).
>
> How do we support the development of such places? Encourage people to
> go there? Publicise their existence, survival and (something which
> those of us with mortgages value) their compatibility with a career?
>
> What do you reckon?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Fryer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 13 September 2005 17:22
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Comm Psy conference 2005 (depleted energy / creativity)
>
>
> Dear All
>
> I resonated with Lisa's reference to depleted energy / creativity due
> to creativity/critical thinking being squashed by the everyday trials
> and strains of working and the subsequent contributions However the
> replies about how to keep community ideas alive in the face of all the
> other requirements of positions / jobs and every day lives interest me
> even more at the moment. To me they seem to default mostly to notions
> of persons finding opportunities to receive support in one way or
> another (including opportunities for critical reflection) and the
> realisation that this may not be practically achievable or that the
> context we work in may even force us to collude with oppressing
> others. It would be ironic if discussion on a CP list reproduced
> individualistic, interpersonal, voluntaristic and quasi-clinical
> discourses and this was not critically scrutinised by list members,
> wouldn't it? As community psychology list members are we really happy
> suggesting that the individual has to seek out a safe interpersonally
> supportive context in which to work? Is 'support', with its
> interpersonal assumptions and connotations that distress can be
> reduced by intra psychic change and communication, a problematic
> notion for community psychology? Doesn't the suggestion that the
> individual's dysfunctional 'choices' as to where to work, not taking
> things personally, etc play into voluntarism and victim blaming? Are
> there social change solutions to this problem which we as a network
> should be collectively enacting?
>
> David
>
> David Fryer
> Community Psychology Group
> University of Stirling
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Thorne Lisa
> (Devon Partnership NHS Trust) Sent: 09 September 2005 11:31 am To:
> [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Comm Psy conference 2005
>
>
> Hi Paul
> I echo your sentiments and would really value some 'stirring'
> communications on the email network before the conference. I am
> currently trying to conjure up the energy/creativity to respond to
> Rebekah's request for people to present at the slot she has arranged
> for thinking about the stance we, as community psychologists, might
> take in regards to G8, poverty etc - in the midst of my first year
> post-qualified working in an adult CMHT where my creativity/critical
> thinking is sadly quashed by acclimatising to the everyday trials and
> stresses of working in the NHS! Sorry, Rebekah, I still haven't quite
> been able to come up with a statement i would be prepared to share,
> but i'm working on it! I would love to know how people are managing to
> keep their critical/community ideas alive in the face of all the other
> requirements of their positions/jobs - and perhaps also within their
> every day lives. Thoughts/tips anyone? Looking forward to the
> conference Lisa
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