Hi Diane
I hadnt thought of it in terms of writing games!
I wont deny it but there might need to be some qualification
From where I am coming from, one would not know what one was trying to
achieve - that is each one and any ghosts in their combinatorial machine
while there might well be a performance and / or publishing context, but I
think it is less likely that there would be any outside structure
Never having been part of a game writing team, I cannot be sure but I think
there is a difference. Whether that difference *matters is another issue
Why it might matter may be pointed to by a certain uncomfortable feeling
when i read that only the outcome matters
My take on that is that to a considerable extent only the doing matters e.g.
an unrecorded largely improvised performance is worthwhile
I am interested by the way that procedural processes lead to work that seems
very much the work of that artist, even when many of the procedures are
aleatoric; and by investigations into trying to escape from an individual
style
style being a construct it can be interfered with and also generated outside
of an individual attempt at expressing a self
in making a game, there is presumably an intent to make a game &
investigative activity will be aimed at making a better or new game, but
still a game - team building, consensus building, priority setting come into
it
i have been involved in collaborations where part of the process has
involved undermining what the others involved were trying to build
what i am talking about would be ok without an outcome at all
L
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Subject: Re: [WDL] August Topic: Collaboration
> I really liked Lawrence's description of collaboration: "Where the makers
to a
> greater or lesser extent do not fully know who did what, where the
interaction
> might be thought to produce a third mind effect."
>
> Jonathan gave an interesting build on this in terms of developing games
> software. I hadn't thought of this ultimate outcome of collaboration i.e.
the
> 'third mind' so that individual collaborators are invisible.
>
> This type of collaboration seems pretty altruistic!
>
> Maybe because more people can get involved in digital work, this makes a
'third
> mind' the least confusing way of presenting the work...does it matter who
has
> contributed? No, only the outcome matters.
>
> In a group effort, who can ever say for sure where an idea has originated
from -
> and the ideas are the inspiration of the finished piece.
>
> Di
>
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