Jeremy
Thanks! So what legal force does a Declaration have in various Coutries, for
example can you use a Declaration in a Local, County or High Court in the
UK? I'm right, you can use a treaty in Court?
What about the EU Treaty for the Rights for People with Autism, can that be
used in a UK Court?
Yours
Colin
>From: Jeremy Wickins <[log in to unmask]>
>To: Colin Revell <[log in to unmask]>
>CC: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: FW: [DisabilityConvention] Why then disabled people need our
>own UN Disability Convention?
>Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:24:26 +0100
>
>Dear Colin,
>
>Treaties and Declarations have different status in international law.
>Treaties
>are international agreements - such as the treaties that created the
>European
>Union, for instance - and as such are binding on the countries that sign up
>to
>it. The difficulty is usually enforcement, which is, because there is no
>"world
>court", done through diplomatic pressure unless there is a specific
>arbitration/court system set up, as there is in the EU, for instance.
>
>I hope that answers your question - feel free to get back to me if you need
>any
>more information.
>
>Yours,
>
>Jeremy.
>
>--
>Jeremy Wickins,
>PhD Researcher, Biometrics and Social Exclusion,
>Sheffield Institute of Biotechnological Law and Ethics (SIBLE),
>Department of Law,
>University of Sheffield,
>169/171, Northumberland Road,
>Crookesmoor,
>Sheffield. S10 1DF
>UK.
>
>Tel: +44 (0)114 222 6881
>Fax: +44 (0)114 222 6886
>
>
>
>Quoting Colin Revell <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > Jeremy
> >
> > Then will the UN Disability Treaty, be any different in having
> > 'legal-binding' on the signatories ? I know the UK has signed up for it,
>but
> >
> > the USA have not?
> >
> > Yours
> >
> > Colin
> > >From: Jeremy Wickins <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: Colin Revell <[log in to unmask]>
> > >CC: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: FW: [DisabilityConvention] Why then disabled people need
>our
> > >own UN Disability Convention?
> > >Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:47:48 +0100
> > >
> > >Dear Colin,
> > >
> > >The Universal Declaration is not binding on the signatories - that is
>one
> > >of its
> > >weaknesses. It is merely a common standard, with no legal force at all.
> > >
> > >Jeremy.
> > >--
> > >Jeremy Wickins,
> > >PhD Researcher, Biometrics and Social Exclusion,
> > >Sheffield Institute of Biotechnological Law and Ethics (SIBLE),
> > >Department of Law,
> > >University of Sheffield,
> > >169/171, Northumberland Road,
> > >Crookesmoor,
> > >Sheffield. S10 1DF
> > >UK.
> > >
> > >Tel: +44 (0)114 222 6881
> > >Fax: +44 (0)114 222 6886
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Quoting Colin Revell <[log in to unmask]>:
> > >
> > > > Cindy
> > > >
> > > > I always thought that the UN Declaration was a 'binding-law' within
> > > > Internatioanl law for all 'the-states' who signed the UN Declartion
>for
> > > > Human Rights in 1948.
> > > >
> > > > Do others know if this correct?
> > > >
> > > > Yours
> > > >
> > > > Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Cindy Smith <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >To: Colin Revell <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >Subject: Re: [DISABILITY-RESEARCH] FW: [DisabilityConvention] Why
>then
> > > > >disabled people need our own UN Disability Convention?
> > > > >Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:12:09 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi Colin,
> > > > >
> > > > >I did some research on this for a class of mine--The Universal
> > >Declaration
> > > > >is not 'binding law" in that it lists rights that should be
>universal
> > >to
> > > > >all humans but does not require states to sign on to it as binding
>law
> > >in
> > > > >their state--therefore it is more a set of ideals whereas the UN
> > >Convention
> > > >
> > > > >on Persons with Disabilties--like other conventions--will required
> > >states
> > > > >to sign and ratify for it to enter into force--therefore becoming
> > >binidng
> > > > >law superseeding indiivdual state law--if you go to the National
> > >Council of
> > > >
> > > > >Disability--www.ncd.gov--and type in international human
>rights--you'll
> >
> > >get
> > > >
> > > > >a bunch of documents that expalin the differences.
> > > > >
> > > > >Cindy
> > > > >
> > > > >Colin Revell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > >1/8/05
> > > > >
> > > > >To Everyone
> > > > >
> > > > >I will ask you this same question(again), within the UN Disability
> > > > >Convention and UN Disability Convention-2, like I did over a week
> > >ago(22nd
> > > > >July), but I got no answers, so I'll try again and also send it to
> > > > >Danmai(UK
> > > > >Disability Network) too and Disability Research forum to see if I
>get
> > >any
> > > > >answers there??
> > > > >
> > > > >You have got my permission of 'copyleft' to share this with others
> > >around
> > > > >the globe.... Here we go again, so please....
> > > > >
> > > > >Can someone please explain to be why then disabled people need our
>own
> > >UN
> > > > >Disability Convention, when we already have the protection within
>the
> > > > >Universal Declaration of Human Rights?
> > > > >
> > > > >Are we then 'less then human' then?
> > > > >
> > > > >I need to remind people that...On December 10, 1948 the General
> > >Assembly of
> > > > >the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration
>of
> > > > >Human
> > > > >Rights. " I can't remember disabled people being 'exluded' from
>this,
> > >can
> > > > >you?
> > > > >
> > > > >Are not then all disabled people then not given full legal
>protection
> > >under
> > > > >the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, or as I said are we
>'aliens
> > >from
> > > > >a different planet' and not then afforded the 'equal' protections
> > >within
> > > > >these same basic human rights and civil liberties as non disabled
> > >people?
> > > > >
> > > > >I've heard that if we don't watch it, that we could be 'cutting our
>own
> > > > >noses off to spite our faces' and falling into a 'deadly-trap' and
>the
> > >UN
> > > > >Disability Convention will actually weaken our basic human rights
>and
> > >civil
> > > > >liberties, not strenghten them within it's current context.
> > > > >
> > > > >So don't say I didn't warn you all!!
> > > > >
> > > > >Yours
> > > > >
> > > > >Colin R
> > > > >
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