We also need to include Simon Withey and Sally Stanley in teh loop fro CfH as they understand the national issues here as they are developing the request message.

We know from PMIP that the message and eth content must be aligned.

Rick


Dr Rick Jones
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This is very important. Let's just check which forum we want to use to  
discuss it...

College rep is James Paton.

It's multidisciplinary.

Does Bill Bartlett's group still exist?

Lead at CfH is Ian Arrowsmith

I'd prefer it to be national, but it's currently Southern Cluster.

There is an identified "Wave 1 of early adopters". We are one at the  
Nuffield Orthopaedic Centre.

Jonathan


On 16 Aug 2005, at 09:32, O'Connor John (Royal Devon and Exeter  
Foundation Trust) wrote:

> Morning Chaps
>
> I thought that the following offering from the Fujitsu Alliance on the
> naming of things might provoke a discussion thread on the SIG. But  
> before I
> release it to the wider world, I thought it prudent to air it on  
> mailbase
> first. It may become a national template so it is of relevance to all.
>
> Cheers
> John
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Viewing of Southern Cluster Pathology Catalogue
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Pathology clinicians,
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on the last 2 weeks of discussions and recommendation from the
>> Southern Cluster Clinical Advisory Group and representative members  
>> from
>> the cluster Pathology steering group, we have taken 2 key actions to
>> ensure that NHS/FJA/Cerner will move together successfully through our
>> deployment programme for R0 - we have:
>>
>>
>>
>> (1)     Revised the content configuration and layout of the catalogue
>> (with inclusion of some of the earlier comments from last week)
>>
>> (2)     Provided a viewing opportunity of this catalogue for R0  
>> deployment
>> trusts (Path Labs)
>>
>>
>>
>> Background:
>>
>>
>>
>> *	The signed agreement between the NHS and FJA was that for R0, the
>> Southern Cluster will use an existing Cerner Millennium build and
>> configuration that is the Homerton and Newham hospitals. Their current
>> catalogue contained around 600+ investigations. After analysis of this
>> catalogue against our previous CSP catalogue, PBCL catalogue, and the
>> below mentioned national catalogue, we had recognised that the  
>> existing
>> catalogue is clearly not sufficient to maintain current business  
>> processes
>> for many of the trusts. We have taken input from a number of these
>> resources to build a catalogue which we aim will meet most of the NHS
>> business needs (see content below).
>> *	The NHS CfH is also concurrently trying to complete an NHS version
>> of the Path catalogue for the purposes of standardising the content  
>> across
>> the country - this is nearing completion. While not formally  
>> released, FJA
>> had been given a provisional viewing of this to facilitate our rapid
>> deployment programme. The NHS authority themselves concurs with our
>> experience that no catalogue will ever be complete, without ongoing
>> maintenance. Cerner will be adopting the full NHS catalogue as we  
>> move to
>> the next phase (or as and when the NHS catalogue is finally completed  
>> and
>> released). Future maintenance will be based against the NHS  
>> standards. No
>> formal date is set for this NHS release, but is anticipated for later  
>> this
>> year. This national catalogue is based on a SNOMED CT naming  
>> convention,
>> which is the NHS mandated standard.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> OBJECTIVE:
>>
>>
>>
>> *       To provide a viewing opportunity by the R0 deployment sites
>>
>> *       To try and clarify any queries
>>
>>
>>
>> Special note:
>>
>>
>>
>> *	Any new content recommendation, we will be submitting this to the
>> NHS authority to be considered for inclusion in their National  
>> Pathology
>> catalogue - please note that we have drawn our content from the  
>> proposed
>> NHS Path catalogues. So if an item is not in our catalogue, it is not
>> likely to be in the National Catalogue. The NHS will need to know  
>> this as
>> they need to ensure that all Clusters' needs are met through their  
>> final
>> catalogue releases.
>> *	Our maintenance of content will be against NHS catalogue content
>> releases
>>
>>
>>
>> General explanations about the catalogue:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The content of the attached catalogue are drawn from:
>>
>>
>>
>> *         The proposed NHS national catalogue for pathology  
>> investigations
>> (this is the enhanced version of the current PBCL catalogue, later to  
>> be
>> formally released by the NHS. It extends the range of procedures to
>> secondary care settings)
>>
>> *         Best practice data collection from the Common Solution  
>> Project
>> from hospital trusts and its sub-departments
>>
>> *         Cerner's internal catalogue from their content drawn from
>> various existing deployment sites in UK
>>
>> *         Newham and Homerton input
>>
>> *         Provisional input from the SCCAG and Path Steering group
>>
>>
>>
>> The naming convention of the catalogue:
>>
>>
>>
>> *         The naming convention is based on SNOMED CT (fully specified
>> names) - the reason is to eliminate any ambiguities during the review
>> process
>>
>> *         When viewing, please think of proper/generic chemical names  
>> of
>> the test to ease locating the test within the catalogue (eg. "Dilantin
>> level" is not in the catalogue, but "Phenytoin level" is)
>>
>> *         The SNOMED naming convention will be adopted by all the LSPs
>> across the other clusters to minimise training needs of clinicians as  
>> they
>> move across clusters, which they invariably do during their working
>> careers.
>>
>> *         Synonyms, or clinically common descriptors will be built  
>> within
>> the catalogue to ease searching (most of this will be based on SNOMED
>> recommendations, and some others are common clinically accepted  
>> acronyms).
>>
>>
>> *         Where a SNOMED CT concept does not exist, we will use the
>> current naming convention in Cerner until one is determined by the  
>> NHS.
>> The key is that we will provide the investigation to maintain current
>> processes
>>
>>
>>
>> Deployment:
>>
>>
>>
>> *	The content of this list contains the entire catalogue which will be
>> loaded into the Cerner database. This does not mean all tests will  
>> need to
>> be provided at all sites. This only allows the trusts to pick and  
>> choose
>> the tests to be made available or hidden away from viewing locally  
>> because
>> the trust labs do not provide that service.
>>
>>
>>
>> Summary:
>>
>>
>>
>>             We wish to provide a successful viewing opportunity for  
>> the
>> NHS R0 deployment sites. We will try to capture queries associated  
>> with
>> this catalogue. Please note that we are working closely with the NHS
>> authority to ensure that their National Catalogue will in the future
>> contain all the necessary content. Any content we identify which are  
>> not
>> currently available within the National Path catalogue we will submit  
>> to
>> the Authority for inclusion in their later releases. We will be  
>> releasing
>> the Cerner Radiology catalogue within the next day or 2 for final  
>> viewing,
>> so please let me have contact names of any Radiology clinicians who  
>> you
>> know need to be included.
>>
>>
>>
>> Queries to send to:
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> NOTE: ALL QUERIES ARE TO BE SUBMITTED BY CLOSE OF PLAY NEXT THURSDAY  
>> (25th
>> August 2005)
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Wyman Kwong
>>
>>
>>
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