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Dear John and others,
Thanks for the help with this phrase "qui ardet, incendit." The author I
work on, Alonso de Espina (d. 1464), has Bernard as the author. It may very
well be based on "the form of words from which the latter was condensed," as
you suggest. As in the case of other quotes of his, they never quite match
the original text that he is quoting from. Is this because there are other
version of texts or corrupt manuscripts floating around in various parts of
Europe?
Thanks again for your help!
Steve
Steven J. McMichael, OFM Conv.
Theology Department
University of Saint Thomas
St. Paul, MN USA
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Sent: Mon 5/30/2005 3:01 PM
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Dear Steve,
Despite Karl Brunner's search results reported below, you might still
wish to have a look at the Dekkers/Fraipont ed. of Augustine,
_Enarrationes in Psalmos_ (CCSL, 38-40) at the passage already cited by
Elena Lemeneva: 34.1.11. In the _Patrologia Latina_ text of this (vol.
36, cols. 329-30), one reads:
Nemo malus non sibi prius nocet. Sic enim esse putate malitiam, quomodo
{col. 330} ignem. Incendere vis aliquid: illud quod admoves, prius
ardet, nisi ardeat, non incendit.
This would appear to contain all the elements of the apophthegm in
question except two: brevity and restriction to human beings. Though
you say you are seeking the first appearance of what you call "this
phrase" (which I take to mean the _sententia_ "qui ardet, incendit"),
you might also be interested in what seems likely to be the form of
words from which the latter was condensed.
Best,
John Dillon
On Monday, May 30, 2005, at 1:24 pm, Karl Brunner wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> culture
> Sorry, no Augustine, because he is complete in CLCLT. The nearest
> reference I found there are:
> Excerpta CLCLT-5 - Library of Latin Texts, Turnhout, Brepols
> Publishers, 2002 - Inquisitio in uol. I, II et III
> SENTENTIAE - INQUISITIO IN UOL. 1 >>>
> 10 >>> Zeno Ueronensis - TractatusCl. 0208, lib. : 1, tractatus :
> 22,linea : 9 O admirabile incendium! o uere spectaculum deo dignum!
> quiaudiunt, timent; qui incenderant, ardent; qui incensi sunt,
> sanctificati et incolumes de camino procedunt per dominum nostrum
> iesumchristum.
> SENTENTIAE - INQUISITIO IN UOL. 2 >>>
> 3 >>> Isidorus Hispalensis - Etymologiarum siue Originum libri XXCl.
> 1186, lib. : 7, cap. : 5, par. : 24 Seraphin quoque similiter
> multitudoest angelorum, qui ex Hebraeo in Latinum ardentes uel
> incendentesinterpretantur.
> SENTENTIAE - INQUISITIO IN UOL. 3 >>>
> 27 >>> Thomas de Chobham - Sermonessermo : 14, linea : 253 []
> Frigidus autem homo alium calefacere non potest, quia qui non ardet
> nonincendit.
> 28 >>> Thomas de Chobham - Summa de conmendatione et extirpatione
> uirtutumcap. : 2, linea : 24 [] Et eadem sententia est super illum
> uersum: ignitum eloquium tuum uehementer; frigidum pectus non capit
> ignitum eloquium et qui non ardet non incendit.
> Yours
> Karl Brunner, Vienna
>
> Am 30. Mai 2005 um 19:15 Uhr schrieb McMichael, Steven J.:
>
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
> > culture
> >
> > Does anyone know the exact reference to the phrase, "qui ardet,
> > incendit"? I
> > have found in my perusal of various sources that it has been
> > attributed to
> > Augustine, Gregory, and Bernard. I cannot find the exact location of
> > where
> > this phrase first appears. The phrase appears in a section of a
> text> on
> > medieval preaching by a fifteenth-century Franciscan I am working
> on.>
> > Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> > Steve
> >
> > Steven J. McMichael, OFM Conv.
> > Theology Department
> > University of Saint Thomas
> > St. Paul, MN
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