so true
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Prytherch" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: dutch no
> Before the moment passes, I want to say that this exchange over the Dutch
> no vote was one of the more substantive and illuminating uses of this
> forum in recent memory. Perhaps I am a bad critical human geographer, but
> I tire of criticism for its own sake and yearn for more such substantive
> discussion on this listserv. So, in the spirit of constructive criticism,
> I'd like to say thanks and can we do this more often?
>
> Regards,
>
> David Prytherch
>
>
> > Point taken...but I do not think it entirely fair to blaim the EU and
the
> > EU's instiutions for contributions to the climate of fear and racism in
> > Europe. Politicians, member states and the media in many countries seem
to
> > me more complicit than the EU (which is anyway an expression of the
> > climate in Europe, not the source of all policy and politics as the
> > British eurosceptic media often imply).
> >
> > I have not seen comprehensive data, but my anecdotal feeling is that
most
> > Europeans of colour (and "white" muslims in Europe) have a generally
> > positive view of the EU as a bastion of relative tolerance and community
> > and if not exactly anti-racism, then at lesat "supranationalism".
> >
> > Regards, James D Sidaway
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: A forum for critical and radical geographers on behalf of D F J
> > Wood
> > Sent: Thu 02/06/2005 23:47
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: dutch no
> >
> >
> >
> > >Also, muslim friends in France tell me that most muslim
> > >citizens there mostly voted yes....since the EU is seen as a
> > >protection of sorts against the racist right.
> >
> > And yet it's the EU that has created the 'Fortress Europe' / Schengen
> > immigration control system, well documented by Didier Bigot et al.'s
> > excellent research over recent years that has so strongly contributed to
> > the climate of fear and racism in Europe...
> >
> > The votes AGAINST the constitution (not the EU project in toto, of
> > course) on the left are generally because it enshrines a far more
> > neo-liberal imperative that most would want, and does very little to
> > protect anybody, and because it is fundamentally uninspiring
> > poorly-written and verbose vision - in fact, as a document, it is
> > perhaps the least inspiring constitution I have read...
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> David Prytherch
> Visiting Assistant Professor
> Department of Geography
> Miami University
> Oxford, OH 45056
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