This has been a very interesting, almost philosophical, thread to follow. As
several people have noted or alluded, it is venturing into the realm of
particle physics. Clouds of packets like probability clouds of electrons and
virtual packet space like virtual particles. Interesting to see what comes
from this.
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Modulated noise.
> From: Sue Thomas <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Mapping and visualising Internet infrastructure and Web space
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> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:17:40 +0100
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> Subject: Re: [MAPPING-CYBERSPACE] Cyberspatial question for the holiday we
> ekend
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> Thank you everyone for some very useful answers. I'm enjoying working my
> way through them and hope to try out my synthesis on you to see what you
> think!
>
> best
> Sue
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: martin dodge
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> Sent: 5/30/2005 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [MAPPING-CYBERSPACE] Cyberspatial question for the holiday
> weekend
>
> On Sat, 28 May 2005, Sue Thomas wrote:
>
>
> Hi Sue, a really good question. I have been thinking about this recently
> in writing about traceroutes. The simple answer is that it goes into the
> Internet cloud - hence the shorthand sketches used in technical book to
> hide this problem. (See Jessie Scanlon's nice short article on this,
> http://web.archive.org/web/20000816092658/http://www.thestandard.com/art
> icle/display/0,1151,5466,00.html
> )
>
> To try to explain to students I always start by showing the Warriors of
> the Net movie. They use a effective mechnical metaphor to show packets
> moving and it very useful at one level. Movie is a free download from
> http://www.warriorsofthe.net/
>
> I have actually been conceptualising the packets beckoning their own
> space
> into being as they move. I use Paul Virilio's term of 'trajective' to
> describe the spaces in-between.
> http://lingua.utdallas.edu/call/trajectory.html
>
> cheers
> martin
>
>> I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Can anyone point me to
> research
>> on the following question:
>>
>> If I throw a ball to you, we know that it passes through the air
> between us.
>> (unless we are in a vacuum, in which case we would both be dead etc
> etc)
>>
>> Q: When a data packet 'travels' from one node to the next, does it
> pass
>> through anything? What is between the nodes? I know transfer is very
> fast
>> but nevertheless it is still transfer so there must be a point where
> it is
>> in neither place so it must be somewhere else. Shouldn't it? Or have I
>> misunderstood?
>>
>> All hypotheses welcome. Preferably those I can understand ;)
>>
>> Sue
>>
>> http://travelsinvirtuality.typepad.com
>>
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