Without wishing to seem to be discriminatory, would it be possible to return to the original question - especially in its full form - because it is so intriguing? I would urge, however, that listmembers be respectful to each other in every way, please.
Thanks,
Dave Postles
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From: From: Local-History list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of GATLEY David A
Sent: 24 May 2005 10:04
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Subject: Re: Civic pride
As a dyslexic myself, I do sometimes wonder if these sadists take a similar attitude to the blind and deaf.
If they did they would be sacked from their jobs and quite rightly so.
David
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From: From: Local-History list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frank Clement-Lorford
Sent: 23 May 2005 17:13
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Subject: Re: Civic pride
All, when I mentioned England, Yorkshire and Huddersfield they were just examples. The full text of the question I am having to respond to is: Did the growth of civic pride in England during the second half of the Nineteenth century result in improved living conditions for the urban dweller.
I was trying to get a general understanding of how one defined or showed 'civic pride' in history. As for Gerald needing to comment on George Eliot's comments about grammar. As a person who id severely dyslexic and suffered at the hand of grammar wordsmiths and bullies all of my adult life, It is great to find a saying that people such as myself can take comfort in. But I would not expect someone like Gerald to understand.
Correct English is the slang of prigs who write history and essays. ~George Eliot, Middlemarch, 1872
From: From: Local-History list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gerard McSweeney
Sent: 23 May 2000 10:49
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Subject: Re: Civic pride
What have academics to do with it?
It may be a concept not explainable to someone who hasn't experienced it but, if he were to venture to Huddersfield ....or Manchester, Birmingham, anywhere north of Watford, he may notice those town halls and so on, visible signs of the Civic Pride which has eluded our correspondent.
(We must also be the most frightful prigs in delighting in correct English).
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From: Frank Clement-Lorford
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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: Civic pride
Hi, this is part of a question I am being asked "Did the growth of civic pride in England...." How does one quantify civic pride, I understand when a person says "I am proud of being English" or "I am proud of being a Yorkshire man". But I have never heard someone say "I have civic pride in Huddersfield". How did historians or academics show 'Civic Pride?' is civic pride more than being proud of one's city? Any help or ideas are always appreciated.
Frank
Correct English is the slang of prigs who write history and essays. ~George Eliot, Middlemarch, 1872
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