I agree that we use dc:coverage for the scope of the content, that is, if
the contents is about a place. Adding publisher location to dc:coverage
would be very misleading.
Mary Woodley
---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:14:56 -0400
>From: Cecil Somerton <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Publishing place
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
>Mikael,
> If the book subject is China would I not be inclined to use
dc.subject. The distinction that seems to be needed is whether we are
trying to describe the resource - content - or some other aspect of the
resource. Making the intention clear may require metadata additional to
the DC.
> Thanks
> Cecil
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: General DCMI discussion list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Mikael Nilsson
>Sent: May 27, 2005 10:26 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Publishing place
>
> << File: mini.vcf >> "The extent or scope of the *content* of the
>resource."
>
>But publishing place is not in the scope of the content of the resource,
>is it? I wouldn't want a book about China to have dc:coverage "New York"
>just because it was published there.
>
>Do not confuse the type of the value ("Location" or "place") with the
>relationship of that value with the resource.
>
>/Mikael
>
>Rebecca S. Guenther wrote:
>> Place is given in dc:coverage. There is no way in simple DC to
associate
>> that place with the publisher, but that is where a place name goes.
>>
>> Definition and comment:
>> "Element Description: The extent or scope of the content of the
>> resource. Coverage will typically include spatial location (a place
name
>> or geographic co-ordinates), temporal period (a period label, date, or
>> date range) or jurisdiction (such as a named administrative
>> entity). Recommended best practice is to select a value from a
controlled
>> vocabulary (for example, the Thesaurus of Geographic Names [Getty
>> Thesaurus of Geographic Names,
>> http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabulary/tgn/]). Where
appropriate,
>> named places or time periods should be used in preference to numeric
>> identifiers such as sets of co-ordinates or date ranges."
>>
>> Rebecca
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>>
>>>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:50:38 -0500
>>>From: "Riley, Jenn" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Subject: Publishing place in Simple DC?
>>>
>>>Hello all-
>>>
>>>Where should one put a publishing place in a *simple* Dublin Core
>>>record? I get the sense that including this information in the
>>><dc:publisher> element is common practice, especially in DC records
>>>created in a library environment where publishing place and publisher
>>>name are typically recorded together. But is that "best practice" from
a
>>>DC perspective? The definition of <dc:publisher> explicitly refers to
>>>the entity itself, and the place where that entity conducts business is
>>>not the entity itself. What are the other options of places for this
>>>data to go? Does best practice differ if both the publisher and
>>>publishing place is known vs. if only the publishing place is known?
>>>=20
>>>One argument might be that publishing place is a property of a
publisher
>>>and not of something published by that publishing entity. By that
>>>argument, publishing place doesn't belong in the record for the item at
>>>all but in the record for the publishing house. But I'm not entirely
>>>convinced by this argument. Publishing place is much more a property of
>>>a book than the birth place or date of the author of that book.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for any ideas,
>>>
>>>Jenn
>>>
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>>>Jenn Riley
>>>Metadata Librarian
>>>Digital Library Program
>>>Indiana University - Bloomington
>>>Wells Library E170
>>>(812) 856-5759
>>>www.dlib.indiana.edu
>>>
>>>Inquiring Librarian blog: www.inquiringlibrarian.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:18:56 -0700
>>>From: Mary Woodley <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Subject: Re: Publishing place in Simple DC?
>>>
>>>Jenn,
>>>
>>>You may want to consider how auction houses are now treated in the LC
name
>>>authorities. Originally, auction houses were not qualified by place,
even
>>>though an auction house like Sotheby's have auction houses
internationally.
>>> When bibliographic records for auction catalogs were converted from
SCIPIO
>>>records to MARC, there developed a problem with libraries maintaining
>>>authority control since auction catalogs needed to use the individual
>>>auction houses to identify specific catalogs. So now, the publisher /
>>>auction house is qualified by place:
>>>
>>>Sotheby's (Beverly Hills, Calif.)
>>>
>>>In our projects, we use our institution as the publisher of the digital
>>>object. For digitized books, publisher information was added to the
>>>description/note or we added a call number that links to catalog
record in
>>>our Library Catalog (some the links were broken when we migrated to a
new
>>>ILS system)
>>>
>>>The problem is the one-to-one issue which many of us do not follow: we
>>>describe the original and the digital surrogate. But we kept thinking
about
>>>how each specific record would look if harvested and taken out of its
local
>>>context. In this case, we thought it was important to identify our
>>>institution as the publisher of the digital object and not to confuse
>>>matters by adding the publisher for the original object.
>>>
>>>You might want to look at the work that the citation working group have
>>>done. Our digital management software (CONTENTdm) allows us to make
>>>hierarchical metadata: monograph. We can have metadata for the work as
a
>>>whole, and for the individual pages.
>>>
>>>Mary Woodley
>>>California State University, Northridge
>>>
>>>
>>>---- Original message ----
>>>
>>>>Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:50:38 -0500
>>>>From: "Riley, Jenn" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>Subject: Publishing place in Simple DC?
>>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>>>Hello all-
>>>>
>>>>Where should one put a publishing place in a *simple* Dublin Core
>>>>record? I get the sense that including this information in the
>>>><dc:publisher> element is common practice, especially in DC records
>>>>created in a library environment where publishing place and publisher
>>>>name are typically recorded together. But is that "best practice"
from a
>>>>DC perspective? The definition of <dc:publisher> explicitly refers to
>>>>the entity itself, and the place where that entity conducts business
is
>>>>not the entity itself. What are the other options of places for this
>>>>data to go? Does best practice differ if both the publisher and
>>>>publishing place is known vs. if only the publishing place is known?
>>>>
>>>>One argument might be that publishing place is a property of a
publisher
>>>>and not of something published by that publishing entity. By that
>>>>argument, publishing place doesn't belong in the record for the item
at
>>>>all but in the record for the publishing house. But I'm not entirely
>>>>convinced by this argument. Publishing place is much more a property
of
>>>>a book than the birth place or date of the author of that book.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance for any ideas,
>>>>
>>>>Jenn
>>>>
>>>>========================
>>>>Jenn Riley
>>>>Metadata Librarian
>>>>Digital Library Program
>>>>Indiana University - Bloomington
>>>>Wells Library E170
>>>>(812) 856-5759
>>>>www.dlib.indiana.edu
>>>>
>>>>Inquiring Librarian blog: www.inquiringlibrarian.blogspot.com
>>>
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>>>Collection Development Coordinator
>>>California State University, Northridge
>>>Northridge CA 91330-8328
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>>
>
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