No Paul, only just thought of that (rather, you have...) Shall we say one per first, that should keep the numbers down?
C
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From: Association for Photography in Higher Education on behalf of Proctor, Paul
Sent: Thu 5/26/2005 9:11 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: too many students
Hi Cary,
I don't mind putting the images on the web site. Did we limit the number of images per institution? Otherwise this could become a bigger job than expected.
Paul
Paul Proctor.
BA(Hons) Documentary & Fine Art Photography.
Faculty of Creative Arts.
Stockport College of FE & HE
Wellington Road South,
Stockport, SK1 3UQ
UK
Tel +44 (0)161 958 3518
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w. http://www.photodegree.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Photography in Higher Education
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Welling, Cary
Sent: 26 May 2005 08:48
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: too many students
Dear colleagues,
It is always tricky working with the press, my sympathies to Conrad. BJP have asked if they may print my letter and they have already had a few more to think about.
Our degree shows are already up in Nottingham. We have 23 around the city under a group title, Broadcast. They will be up until 3rd and if you want to browse them, I can send you a map and catalogue or you can pick one up at venue 23 - The Artists Lounge, The Fame Factory, Egerton Street, Nottingham. We don't have a show in Bonington this year because we are in exile while rebuilding the photo home base.
Please remember that we plan to put the best student work on our APHE website. I suggest it is saved as JPEGs(maximum), 1400 x 1000pixels (72 dpi), and labelled with institution initials (as used on website) and student name copyright. Does that seem right? I think it is you Paul who is going to arrange to put them on (?)
Kind regards,
Cary
-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Photography in Higher Education on behalf of Conrad Tracy
Sent: Wed 5/25/2005 9:53 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: too many students
I have just read the article in BJP and am extremely annoyed to see that
I have been miss quoted several times in the article. At no time did I
make the assumption that courses/institutes moved from the more
vocational 2 year programmes to theory focused BA's to 'save money'.
The article would suggest that I am trying to make a value judgement
regarding the different approaches that we all take, while I was merely
describing the approach my course has taken in light of education's
response to the governments initiatives within vocationally focused HE.
I fully support the breadth of photography education and celebrate the
differences. Plus I fully concur with Cary regarding the less than
useful and ill conceived comments regarding the possible opportunities
for photography graduates made in the article.
Conrad Tracy
Course Leader
FdA in Professional Photography
Arts Institute at Bournemouth
-----Original Message-----
From: Association for Photography in Higher Education on behalf of
Helen James
Sent: Tue 5/24/2005 11:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc:
Subject: Re: too many students
Hello,
I feel compelled to say - I would like to underline everything that has
been said on this topic. .. I am a graduate from NTU. Ironically, I
worked
as a photographer before going to university at age 25. Going to NTU
completely changed my direction in photography -- I no longer wanted to
be
a photographer as I became interested in photographic culture.
I left NTU and began working in the gallery system - starting at Open
Eye in
Liverpool and moving on (via the AOP and Photoworks) to where I am
currently
employed - the National Portrait Gallery. Without my degree level
education
and a string of inspiring tutors from NTU in Phil Stokes, Richard
Woodfield,
Cary Welling and Rhonda Wilson, I would still be taking photographs for
a
living and missing out on the career that I now love very much.
Helen James
On 23/5/05 3:42 pm, "Welling, Cary" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Simon and Diane,
>
>
>
> What a strange decision to hit photo education in such an
uncompromising way
> in the graduate issue! Very hurtful. Diane, I thought your article
very well
> researched and accurate I disagree, however, with your conclusion.
There
> are not too many graduates for a world full of photographs, just more
than
> needed to become the photographers in what you call ³the industry².
But what
> industry or group of industries are you calling ³the industry²? There
are so
> many creative industries around photography and our graduates go into
all of
> them.
>
>
>
> I donıt understand why you take such a negative view. Photographic
education
> is not just about students ³studying their craft² at Higher Education.
It is
> about that and much more - some of the much more you discuss in your
article,
> and a lot you donıt.
>
>
>
> Taking my institution as typical of most, our programme of study is
about
> personal creativity and independence of mind as well as photo skills.
> Graduates know and understand the creative, economic and cultural
contexts of
> photography, the key facts and ideas in its history, theory and
philosophy. We
> help students develop transferable skills such as working
independently or in
> a group; being able to source, select, retrieve and manage
information;
> communicate their ideas and pictures effectively; meet deadlines in a
> professional way. Feedback tells us that most graduates feel their
experiences
> at university helped them enormously and they donıt resent that they
became
> (for example) a journalist, picture editor or web designer instead of
a
> photographer. Most realise that wanting to be a photographer was part
of
> growing up and they gained a more sophisticated view of what they
could do
> with their lives and a good idea about their own personal potential.
>
>
>
> Can we move on and clear up the misunderstanding? We are doing a good
job but
> not a narrow one. We arenıt just training a replacement workforce of
> photographers for advertising, fashion and journalism.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Cary Welling
>
> Chair, The Association for Photography in Higher Education
>
> Programme Leader for BA Honours Photography and Photography in Europe
>
> Nottingham Trent University
>
>
>
>
>
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