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I know about the Gallican / Hebrew (RC/ Protestant) split in the numbering of the Pss, but was surprised to note ambivalence in the numbering of Pss even within the modern Catholic usage... : our parish mass leaflet, which has the readings in both Spanish and English, gives the RSV numbers for the English renderings -- and the Vulgate numbers for the Spanish translation! Do modern catholic spanish psalters thus follow the old numbering? Is there a reason?
TGD
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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Dr Rosemary Hayes wrote:
>
> many thanks John. I hope my PC can cope. - Both my Jerusalem (which
> I had thought followed the Vulgate numbering but I now see follows
> the numbering of 'the Hebrew Bible') and RSV bibles had it as Psalm
> 80, and at the end of verse 14, although it would make more sense for
> it to be at the beginning of 15. - I suppose this begs the question of
> what version of the bible
> one should cite in notes that are more likely to be read by
> historical rather than biblical scholars - the 'correct' Vulgate that
> the original writer was referring to, or the bible that is likely to
> be on most people's shelves.
Yes, OK - Hebrew/Protestant verse numbering for this Psalm is one adrift
from the Vulgate (the Nova Vulgata has the Hebrew/Protestant Psalm
numbering, but the traditional verse numbering, albeit with the extraneous
words in italics!)
I suppose verse numbering isn't a strictly mediaeval problem, as it only
came in in the 16th century! As there doesn't seem to be a 'typical
medieval' Vulgate, the Clementine Vulgate is the nearest we are going to
get!
Clementine Vulgate, Ps 79, v.15:
15 Deus virtutum, convertere,
respice de cælo, et vide,
et visita vineam istam :
'Douay-Rheims':
15 Turn again, O God of hosts, look down from heaven, and see, and visit
this vineyard:
John Briggs
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