I think what Chris is getting at is that what you say seems to imply that
you think that someones published work is worthy of more consideration than
your own original thought. If you really believe that then it is indeed a
sad day.
What really surprises me is that this list has very little traffic when
peeps want to discuss materials or learning technology but ask what
something is being called these days and the world and his dog wants to air
their opinion. A rose by any other name would surely smell as sweet.
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From: Virtual Learning Environments [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
Of niki lambropoulos
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [VLES] How widespread is the use of the term (and the
concept) of e-learning?
they are Chris, this is the evolution of humanity.
this is all we have left in the end...
sorry to say that..
--- CHRIS JEFFRIES <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> An entirely side issue, but
>
> "I know exactly what I am talking about, I can give
> references for every single line :)"
>
> encapsulates one of my primary concerns about
> academia. Why does one always
> need to hide behind references. As if only someone
> else's thoughts committed
> to print and published in a book are worthy of
> consideration.
>
> We are all capable of thought. We each have our own
> unique context within
> which to have those thougts, and as a result, each
> of our own personal
> thoughts has value.
>
> OK, so sometimes we "waste time" re-inventing
> wheels, but naivety also has
> its value in overturning accepted but untrue truths.
> Perhaps without it we
> might still be measuring Phlogiston or doing
> Alchemy.
>
> Sorry to go off topic. Coming back on to topic, I
> won't be cowed by those
> with more "learning" than me, but I *will* try to
> stick to topics where I
> have a valid contributin. Since education therory is
> not one of them, I will
> now shut up.
>
> Chris
>
> niki lambropoulos writes:
>
> > NOorman said that learning happens within the head
> of
> > the individual. the socal aspect exists but the
> > individual is the one who is responsible of
> his/her
> > own learning wanted or not.
> >
> > I know exactly what I am talking about, I can give
> > references for every single line :)
> > Piagetian Constructivism is often supposed to not
> have
> > taken into account the interpersonal relations
> (Crook,
> > 1994). However, in 1965 Piaget himself suggested,
> “
> > cooperation … eliminates the process … of
> egocentric
> > thought” (1995:208) since cooperation is defined
> as “…
> > all relations between or more equal, or believed
> to be
> > equal, individuals, that is to say, all social
> > relations in which no element of authority or
> prestige
> > is involved” (Piaget, 1995:200).
> >
> > everybody is right because are so flexible, so
> without
> > definition probably beacause they cannot be framed
> in
> > one line, one summary, or one concept. what is the
> > differnce for getting infomation the last 3,000
> years,
> > instead of reading from rocks we have the
> interent.
> > BUT I am the one who backgrounds the unimportant
> > information and suggests the important
> information,
> > only me, and most of the tomes it depends on the
> > social structures and limitations of myself I
> carry on
> > me..
> >
> > cheers,
> > n
> > PS love flaming, since there is no oppositions
> when we
> > have a common subject to talk about :)
> >
> >
> > --- Anita Pincas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> I see what you mean, Miguel. But language is
> open
> >> to interpretation, and I
> >> did not interpret Gianni's words as equating
> >> "constructivitist" with
> >> "individual based environment". I took the
> latter
> >> to be his way of saying
> >> what we in England would call "learner centred".
> >>
> >> I think if we were face to face instead of
> online,
> >> we would be able to
> >> reach agreement on various matters more easily.
> >>
> >> Anita
> >>
> >> At 19:30 07/03/2005, Miguel Nunes wrote:
> >> ><?xml version="1.0" ?>
> >> >Well ... I could not disagree more. That was one
> of
> >> the worst summaries I
> >> >have read in this list. It confuses a number of
> >> concepts and shows a
> >> >total misunderstanding of what contructivism is.
> >> Constructivism is
> >> >absolutely not about an "individual-based
> >> environment", but in fact about
> >> >"socio-cultural learning that combines
> >> collaborative and informal
> >> >learning". In fact, constructivism is based on
> the
> >> concept of real world
> >> >based social interaction and requires
> multi-faceted
> >> modes of learning. And
> >> >... by the way, it is not compatible with the
> >> objectivist notions of
> >> >learning that underpin Skinner's behaviourism.
> I
> >> think that before having
> >> >a go at the theorists you could at least have
> your
> >> facts right.
> >> >Miguel
> >> > > Another excellent summary, in my view. The
> >> problem with a lot of
> >> > > theorists is that they do 2desk jobs" on
> >> learners, without taking
> >> > > account of the real world, as Niki has
> pointed
> >> out. Anita
> >> > > At 07:28 07/03/2005, niki lambropoulos wrote:
> >> > > Hi Gianni,
> >> > >
> >> > > I think it depends on what you want. if
> you
> >> want a
> >> > > more constructivist, individual-based
> >> environemnt then
> >> > > you have the packages. if you have a more
> >> > > multi-faceted eniroenmnt with a
> combination
> >> ob both
> >> > > constructivist an d socio-cultural
> learning
> >> that
> >> > > combines collaborative and informal
> learning
> >> then ou
> >> > > have the content/packages and the
> >> > > forums/workshops/webinars etc.. of course
> >> the latter
> >> > > is the healthiest one since the human
> being
> >> is
> >> > > multifaceted and you cannot distinguish
> 'now
> >> I learn
> >> > > by observation', 'now I learn
> >> contstructivily' now I
> >> > > use Skinner etc.. In my opinion
> evertyghing
> >> is
> >> > > interrelated and happens all together
> >> naturally..
> >> > >
> >> > > Best
> >> > > niki
> >> > > Http://nikilambropoulos.org
> >>
>
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