An entirely side issue, but
"I know exactly what I am talking about, I can give
references for every single line :)"
encapsulates one of my primary concerns about academia. Why does one always
need to hide behind references. As if only someone else's thoughts committed
to print and published in a book are worthy of consideration.
We are all capable of thought. We each have our own unique context within
which to have those thougts, and as a result, each of our own personal
thoughts has value.
OK, so sometimes we "waste time" re-inventing wheels, but naivety also has
its value in overturning accepted but untrue truths. Perhaps without it we
might still be measuring Phlogiston or doing Alchemy.
Sorry to go off topic. Coming back on to topic, I won't be cowed by those
with more "learning" than me, but I *will* try to stick to topics where I
have a valid contributin. Since education therory is not one of them, I will
now shut up.
Chris
niki lambropoulos writes:
> NOorman said that learning happens within the head of
> the individual. the socal aspect exists but the
> individual is the one who is responsible of his/her
> own learning wanted or not.
>
> I know exactly what I am talking about, I can give
> references for every single line :)
> Piagetian Constructivism is often supposed to not have
> taken into account the interpersonal relations (Crook,
> 1994). However, in 1965 Piaget himself suggested,
> cooperation
eliminates the process
of egocentric
> thought (1995:208) since cooperation is defined as
> all relations between or more equal, or believed to be
> equal, individuals, that is to say, all social
> relations in which no element of authority or prestige
> is involved (Piaget, 1995:200).
>
> everybody is right because are so flexible, so without
> definition probably beacause they cannot be framed in
> one line, one summary, or one concept. what is the
> differnce for getting infomation the last 3,000 years,
> instead of reading from rocks we have the interent.
> BUT I am the one who backgrounds the unimportant
> information and suggests the important information,
> only me, and most of the tomes it depends on the
> social structures and limitations of myself I carry on
> me..
>
> cheers,
> n
> PS love flaming, since there is no oppositions when we
> have a common subject to talk about :)
>
>
> --- Anita Pincas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> I see what you mean, Miguel. But language is open
>> to interpretation, and I
>> did not interpret Gianni's words as equating
>> "constructivitist" with
>> "individual based environment". I took the latter
>> to be his way of saying
>> what we in England would call "learner centred".
>>
>> I think if we were face to face instead of online,
>> we would be able to
>> reach agreement on various matters more easily.
>>
>> Anita
>>
>> At 19:30 07/03/2005, Miguel Nunes wrote:
>> ><?xml version="1.0" ?>
>> >Well ... I could not disagree more. That was one of
>> the worst summaries I
>> >have read in this list. It confuses a number of
>> concepts and shows a
>> >total misunderstanding of what contructivism is.
>> Constructivism is
>> >absolutely not about an "individual-based
>> environment", but in fact about
>> >"socio-cultural learning that combines
>> collaborative and informal
>> >learning". In fact, constructivism is based on the
>> concept of real world
>> >based social interaction and requires multi-faceted
>> modes of learning. And
>> >... by the way, it is not compatible with the
>> objectivist notions of
>> >learning that underpin Skinner's behaviourism. I
>> think that before having
>> >a go at the theorists you could at least have your
>> facts right.
>> >Miguel
>> > > Another excellent summary, in my view. The
>> problem with a lot of
>> > > theorists is that they do 2desk jobs" on
>> learners, without taking
>> > > account of the real world, as Niki has pointed
>> out. Anita
>> > > At 07:28 07/03/2005, niki lambropoulos wrote:
>> > > Hi Gianni,
>> > >
>> > > I think it depends on what you want. if you
>> want a
>> > > more constructivist, individual-based
>> environemnt then
>> > > you have the packages. if you have a more
>> > > multi-faceted eniroenmnt with a combination
>> ob both
>> > > constructivist an d socio-cultural learning
>> that
>> > > combines collaborative and informal learning
>> then ou
>> > > have the content/packages and the
>> > > forums/workshops/webinars etc.. of course
>> the latter
>> > > is the healthiest one since the human being
>> is
>> > > multifaceted and you cannot distinguish 'now
>> I learn
>> > > by observation', 'now I learn
>> contstructivily' now I
>> > > use Skinner etc.. In my opinion evertyghing
>> is
>> > > interrelated and happens all together
>> naturally..
>> > >
>> > > Best
>> > > niki
>> > > Http://nikilambropoulos.org
>>
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