Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php?latest
as well as being listed with other minutes at:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php
Cheers, Tony
PS 187th minutes will be circulated later.
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.32
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GridPP PMB Minutes 186 - 20th September 2005
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Lunchtime Face-to-Face meeting at AHM 2005.
Present: Tony Doyle, Dave Britton, Roger Jones, Robin Middleton,
Steve Lloyd, Sarah Pearce, Dave Kelsey (for part), Neil Geddes, John Gordon,
Peter Clarke, and Jeremy Coles (for part).
Apologies: Tony Cass, Dave Newbold.
1. Exploitation Review
======================
TD reported that this was a Low key meeting. TD scheduled for 30min but
ran for 1.5 hours. Mostly clarification of model. Examined FTEs in
model. Added 350K for tape robot into model. On Tier-2 side, they will
charge for depreciation of hardware (funded from external (HEFCE)
sources as part of FEC. PC noted that HPC group working on lifetime of
hardware. RJ/DB: Interested in tape effective lifetime.
TD: Final question was "is anything missing?". Tier-3 and Tier-4 was not
raised. FEC at 100% is probably low.
2. Report from POB
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NG reported items from the recent POB but these minutes should not
preempt the official minutes of that meeting.
3. eSci Themes
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PC noted the reorganisation of NESI; looking to make a call for
Themes/Theme-leaders.
Should Particle Physics lead a theme? Scientific Data Management?
RJ: Should try and identify whether there is a missing theme.
4. AOB
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PC: Strong impression that Particle Physics not serious about Data
Curation. Should LHC data be stored. LEP data was not stored.
PC: Should GridPP have a view?
TD: Good idea and it should be raised at the next POB?
PC: Can't do in isolation in the UK. Should we try and influence
CERN/International Collaborations?
AHM next year?
Perhaps GridPP should encourage people to attend GGF and EGEE meetings
in Geneva next September in place of AHM? TD noted that a possible GridPP
collaboration meeting at that time was already omitted, in order to enable
strong UK participation in a Geneva-based GGF.
GridPP PMB Minutes 188 - 3rd October 2005
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Present: Tony Doyle, Stephen Burke, Robin Middleton, Tony Cass, Steve
Lloyd, Dave Newbold, John Gordon and Jeremy Coles. Sarah Pearce & Dave
Britton (Skype)
Apologies: Roger Jones
1. LCG MB - UK membership
=========================
The board discussed representation from the PMB on the Management Board
which was being re-structured to replace the PEB. The new board would
meet via telephone conference each week with a face-to-face meeting every
month at CERN. TD had raised concerns as the members did not include
Tier-2 Centre representation. Les Robertson stated that he wanted
representatives who would have overall management control.
Initially TD had volunteered, but JG had also been invited to become a
member. SL asked how the Tier-2s would be represented and JG said this
would be done through the Tier-1. TD suggested that JG take up the role
with himself deputising. DN formally proposed JG for the role which was
accepted by the other members. The approach would be that JG would
formally report to the PMB by way of a new standing item on the agenda -
SI-3 LCG Management Board Report of Issues.
TD also wish to add that he was concerned as the roles of the GDB and MB
in the new structure were somewhat vague and had still to be made clear.
2. Status of OC response to PPARC on Tier-1/A funding in FY05
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TD said he had not received anything from PPARC and would get in touch
with DM (ACTION). Following JG's question on AS's spending
for SC4, it was decided to work on the basis that this would ultimately
be approved.
Note following the meeting: the OC feedback via PPARC was noted as
positive for the originally proposed Tier-1 hardware spend.
3. 15th GridPP Collaboration Meeting, RAL, 11-12 January 2006
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JG reported that Coseners were closing for refurbishment during GridPP15
and therefore alternative accommodation would be required. He said he
would check Abingdon Hotels and arrange transport if necessary.
4. LCG/EGEE/GridPP branding
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A concern had been received concerning logos used on some web pages for
which GridPP is responsible. Various options were discussed in balancing
scope, copyright and development source. SP said copyright acknowledgements
would have to be put in place where necessary. JG & SP said they would
follow this up (ACTION).
5. Documentation Officer report on status/issues
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SB said he had attended a number of meetings and had discussions on CAs &
certification, user support etc. He said he would put together a draft
web page and circulate this.
STANDING ITEMS
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SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to
SP.
SP said BP had provided a report on AHM. SP said she was preparing a news
item on Grid Ireland. She also said she working with DK on a press
release about the International Grid Trust Federation.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
The main issue to report was that there would be more releases of SC4 more
quickly by mid-November. Documentation had been received from Greig Cowan
and Robin Tasker and this would be reviewed by SB.
ACTIONS CARRIED FROM 12TH SEPTEMBER 2005 (185)
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183.3: RM to conclude discussions on InfoMon Logbook with SF and then
submit to DB
- ongoing
184.1: TC to write document "How CERN helps the small sites to install and
manage the LCG software"
- ongoing
184.2: DN to report on GridPP All Hands abstracts
- ongoing
184.3: RM and RJ to document Gap Analysis
- ongoing
184.4: DN to document UB questionnaire issues
- ongoing
184.5: RJ to contact Todd about CDF deliverables
- ongoing
NEW ACTION 188.1: TD to contact Deborah at PPARC to get answers re- Status
of OC response to PPARC on Tier-1/A funding in FY05
- done
The OC feedback via PPARC was noted as positive for the originally
proposed Tier-1 hardware spend.
NEW ACTION 188.2: SP & JG to work on improving logos for LCG/EGEE/GridPP
branding
AOB
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TD said it had been decided that a face-to-face meeting in November was
not necessary. TC & JG offered their apologies for next week. TD asked
JG to chair the meeting for the following two weeks as he would be on
holiday. JG would chair the first week and DB the next.
ACTIONS AS AT 3RD OCTOBER 2005
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183.3: RM to conclude discussions on InfoMon Logbook with SF and then
submit to DB
184.1: TC to write document "How CERN helps the small sites to install and
manage the LCG software"
184.2: DN to report on GridPP All Hands abstracts
184.3: RM and RJ to document Gap Analysis
184.4: DN to document UB questionnaire issues
184.5: RJ to contact Todd about CDF deliverables
188.1: TD to contact Deborah at PPARC to get answers re- Status of OC
response to PPARC on Tier-1/A funding in FY05
188.2: SP & JG to work on improving logos for LCG/EGEE/GridPP branding
NB - actions still to be incorporated from the 187th meeting.
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