Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php?latest
as well as being listed with other minutes at
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
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GridPP PMB Minutes 177 - 11th July 2005
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Present: John Gordon, Steve Lloyd, Dave Britton, Dave Kelsey, with Tony
Cass, Dan Tovey & Sarah Pearce by phone.
Apologies: Roger Jones (joined very briefly at start of meeting) Tony Doyle,
Robin Middleton & Jeremy Coles.
1. Feedback from OC
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TD had sent an email documenting issues that had been raised at the meeting
and suggested actions.
(0) It was noted firstly that all actions from the previous meeting were recorded
as being completed.
(1) The OC are uncomfortable with the procurement ethos/methods at the
Tier-1/A: the impending procurement is weakly justified. The Tier-1/A resources
are under-utilised.
JG said better statements for experiments requirements and procurement processes
was needed and he suggested that AS work on this to provide some justification.
DB said there was an additional issue which was efficiency of usage and JG said
AS along with JC would try to measure this. JG also said that that Les Robertson
said that part of the exercise was to run a Grid of given complexity so it could
be a requirement to install a level of kit that we would not use all year round..
DT said that Ken Peach had phoned him with concerns regarding BaBar and the implication
of the Tier-1 plan within the collaboration. DT went on to say that KP felt that this
was impacting on funding concerns within BaBar. DT said that this was really an issue
to be taken up by the Tier-1 Board but agreed that there had been problems with
allocation of disks to BaBar but this had been increased recently and referred to
a recent UB spreadsheet which shows the current schedule:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/eb/050505/schedule2005Q3
DB pointed out that in a UB statement, it was noted that BaBar should get quarterly
allocation (though this was not 100% guaranteed).
NEW ACTION: Tier-1 Board to respond to KP.
(2) The OC expects us to associate more resources associated with technical
documentation for end users and system admins.
TD suggests that someone within GridPP take on this task as 'documentation officer'.
(3) The OC asks the PMB to put pressure on CERN to develop a deployment model that
works for smaller T2 centres.
JG said that Tier-2 were unsure of which installation/configuration tools to
commit to. TD proposed that GridPP and CERN provide input for areas of concern and
agree on what improvements should be made and document these.
(4) To provide a gap analysis for LCG - the OC had no confidence that the
current set of baseline services would provide what was needed by the
experiments in the context of the overall programme. The gap analysis
should extend to the "services" needed/used within the experiments.
DB said the documentation had to be provided for this. TD had suggested that baseline
services be extended. JG said that RJ would have input here.
(5) The OC requested more focus on the questionnaire outcomes (the overall gap analysis
should also address perceptions not just quantifiable shortcomings).
The UB questionnaire will be reviewed at the next F2F.
(6) The OC asked us to identify the high-level "value" GridPP is
adding/delivering.
TD had suggested putting forward examples of items from areas of development with
supporting documentation?
2. Issues Arising from Durham
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DK said we have to look at the process for policies for acceptable use/security
and GridPP planning for LHC exploitation?
3. AHM
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SP said she had received copies of 4 submissions and would send reminders to
others. She had received some comments on the text to be included for
the stand and this would be sent to the designers. She has also sent
lists of suggested themes for flyers. She would like a 200 word page
with an image on the following items as agreed with Astrogrid:- Data -
SL to do this; Workflow - DC; Networking - PC; Portals - Gidon Mount; Security
- DK; Operations - JC. (The deadline for this is 2 weeks) DK suggested
that Middleware/RGMA be included though something else would have to be
removed. It was agreed to use this as an example in the introductory
flyer. SP said documents would be sent to the printers on 1st August.
Bekki would ask for contributions and collate them.
4. EGEE
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JG said bids were being put forward for Phase 2. The budget will be similar to
the previous one. A document will be put together for this.
5. AOB
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SP said she was working on further updates for JPhysG.
ACTIONS AT 11TH JUNE 2005
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The Actions were not reviewed during the meeting. Action 176.1 was known to
have happened.
167.3: RJ to define UK contacts for D0; CDF; BaBar; QCDGrid; ZEUS - who
will respond on experiment operational issues.
167.5: DK to define a possible technical documentation role.
170.2: RJ to invite representatives to talk to the PMB about GANGA status
176.1: RM to ask NG to do the Middleware talk on Wednesday afternoon at
GridPP13.
176.2: TD to use self-test system to check end points re the sound delay
on JVCS OnDemand system.
177.1 - Tier-1 Board (via TD) to review methods of evaluation for estimating
experiment requirements.
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