Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php?latest
as well as being listed with other minutes at
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.32
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GridPP PMB Minutes 172 - 23rd May 2005
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Present: Tony Doyle, Tony Cass, Dave Britton, Robin Middleton & Dave Kelsey
by video.
Sarah Pearce by Skype. Dan Tovey by phone.
Apologies: John Gordon, Steve Lloyd, Jeremy Coles & Roger Jones.
1. Monitoring of UK Sites
=========================
The following report was sent by JG on Friday (reviewed by TD at the
meeting):
The new GOCDB was introduced last week. This introduced two new statuses
for a site.
certified-uncertified - i.e. passes a series of tests
Production Service or pre-production service (PPS)
By default all sites were set to uncertified/pre-production.
Since it is intended soon to run the Site Functional Tests (SFT) only on
certified production sites, and the results of the test will control
whether you appear in the BDII and receive jobs from RBs, Jeremy and I
felt we had to take action quickly or all GridPP would drop out of
EGEE/LCG.
In our capacity as ROC Managers we could change the status of UK/Ireland
sites so we made the following changes
a) we set all sites to production as we do not believe there are any UK
sites yet in the PPS.
b) We certified all sites that had passed the SFT at 2.4.0 some time. Thus
we included sites failing when they looked as if they had recently passed.
This gave us 16 certified sites. The following were not certified
- TCD still at 2.2 and failing critical tests for that reason
- HP Bristol - a few partial tests passed at 2.3.1 but obviously not
stable yet.
- Liverpool - last passed any tests 9/12/2004
- Manchester - scheduled down since end of April - presumably upgrading to
2.4.0 so will be certified when done.
Once SFT is changed we will have no automatic testing of uncertified sites
so when these 4 feel ready to be certified they should send mail to
[log in to unmask] and ask for their site (give the name) to be
certified in GOCDB.
Note added:
The map at
http://map.gridpp.ac.uk/
was upgraded this week by Dave Kant such that additional monitoring info.
is available from each site by clicking on the site dot.
2. Tier-2 support post generic requirements
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TD said there already been some discussion with RM to determine what the
generic role should be and also provide a generic template for reporting.
The proformas would be used as a starting point for the individual roles
and the corresponding M/S/N manager should update the logbook in this area
according to a set of agreed high level requirements. RM said he hoped to
have this summarised in an email this week and it would appear on the
Deployment Board agenda for next week.
3. AHM Updates
===============
SP said she is keeping a list of abstracts and is updating the website
regularly. She will send an email to UKHEPGRID asking for the results
of submissions.
Both the general GridPP paper and JC's deployment abstract had been
accepted as talks. It was noted that - "LCG Data Management: From EDG to
EGEE" was accepted as poster. HEP Metadata Schema and The Thirteen Core
Use Cases of HEP Metadata were rejected as being too HEP-specific. The
submission on Apel from Dave Kant had been accepted as a poster.
TD noted that the deadline for the accpeted papers was 1st July.
4. GridPP13 Agenda
===================
TD asked DT to provide a list of possible candidates from the UB to give
talks on Experiments (Tuesday am). There will also be open/parallel
sessions held between 2.00pm and 4.00pm on Tuesday 5th July for UB
representatives. Time for a UB meeting will be allocated during these
sessions.
SP confirmed that BP would be attending but would not be required to give
a talk.
DK asked for slot for Linda Cornwall to do a talk on Security
Vulnerability.
Steve Fisher would give a g-Lite overview talk representing CERN. TC also
confirmed that Ian Bird would give the LCG status overview and Jamie
Shears the Service Challenge status.
RM felt it was too soon to expect new deployment staff to present,
therefore TD suggested that they participate in the proposed
deployment (DB) parallel sessions alongside the UB. This is still to be
defined.
TC asked about accommodation and TD confirmed that Grey College would
provide this. He also said the registration page would be available from
next week.
ACTIONS
=======
157.2: RJ - review experiment computing models for Tier-1 to Tier-2
interactions in the UK.
ongoing - RJ has sent something relating to ATLAS
157.9: RM to report on direction of GridPP in terms of middleware.
ongoing - RM has sent a report from the Russian Federation to TD which was
found to be useful w.r.t. OMII evaluation.
159.13: TC to extract LCG issues for GridPP13 talks
done - speakers have been selected as noted above.
Pere Mato will also provide applications overview.
Others are being defined through discussion at CERN during this week.
159.19: DB to make a list of all GridPP people and their roles
ongoing
167.2: JC, with input from Stephen Burke to maintain a list of middleware
issues that should be addressed
ongoing
167.3: RJ to define UK contacts for each experiment who will respond on
experiment operational issues.
ongoing
167.5 DK to define a possible technical documentation role.
ongoing
167.8 RJ to raise CDF deliverables definition with Todd Huffmann.
ongoing
170.2: RJ to invite to representatives to talk to the PMB about GANGA status
ongoing
170.3: DT to compile and issue a follow-up questionnaire to UB
ongoing
170.4: TD to speak to COD people about the sound delay in the system
ongoing
171.1: JG to communicate ADS-Castor planning from Dave Corney
more widely
ongoing
171.2: DB to ensure that SGE is not the priority for WLMS support
done
171.3: RM to ask Stephen Burke to present at future PMB
done - (was subsequently arranged for 13th June [noting that many couldn't
make 6th June meeting - see below])
Standing Items
==============
SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to SP.
SP said she was expecting a news item on non-LCG VOs from JG.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
JC sent the following:
1) Some site issues have been escalated, based on site status information.
2) At the recent DTEAM meeting
(http://agenda.cern.ch/fullAgenda.php?ida=a053208) the Tier-2 hardware
money was asked about. When will the coordinators be able to purchase
equipment and what is the procedure?
TD noted that:
Procedure is for sites to apply via JeS to PPARC (except for RAL where
this is being rolled into the SLA) referring to the relevant section from
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/pmb/minutes/050414.txt
"After long discussion, the PMB approved the following:"
with GridPP2 in the title such that it reaches eScience section at PPARC.
3) For the operations workshop this week we will be represented by Stephen
Burke, Fraser Spiers, Philippe Strange (RAL) and Jeremy Coles. (JG
confirmed later that Romain Wartel will also attend). Some issues to
review were raised at our DTEAM meeting. Top on the list was gLite
migration closely followed by YAIM and dCache. Experiment contact routes
was also raised. There is some concern that the service challenge work is
dominating too much the operational focus.
TD noted in passing that the overall balance (in terms of focus on SC
work) was okay.
4) Several areas were identified for improvement in team working. These
will be tackled at the meeting in Glasgow on 3rd June. They included:
use of a common tool for team planning, the need to follow up more
closely agreed areas of work and short term objectives.
5) There has been some advance on metrics within EGEE/LCG. A new
proposed structure is summarised in these links:
http://goc.grid.sinica.edu.tw/metric/ ,
http://goc.grid.sinica.edu.tw/gocwiki/MetricReportDocumentation and
http://goc.grid.sinica.edu.tw/gocwiki/MetricReport. Out Tier-2s will
appear as selectable entities. I am happy to take comments/suggestions
for future discussions in this area - likely to be at the operations
workshop next week.
JG will discuss these further with JC.
TD commented that these provide a good basis for the overview metrics
required by the OC. DB said he would like to see how the metrics will be
(re-)defined and transcribed into the Project Map.
6) TD note that links to experiment deployment pages would be useful
e.g. ZEUS
http://www-zeus.desy.de/grid/gridmon.php
Experiment deployment/monitoring links will be added by JC to
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/deployment/links.html
(with input from PMB in the first instance).
AOB
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JphysG update - input on cutdown chapters from SL & TD have to be
incorporated. SP said that Dave Colling asked if money from the
dissemination budget could be used to finance summer students to work on
demos. The board agreed to this and TD said the dissemination budget
should be more widely used.
NEW ACTION: SP to check how much money is available in the budget for
further dissemination possibilities, then to circulate request to
UKHEPGRID.
The next PMB will be on 6th June - apologies given in advance from SP, TC,
SL and DT.
ACTIONS AT 23RD MAY 2005
========================
157.2: RJ - review experiment computing models for Tier-1 to Tier-2
interactions in the UK.
157.9: RM to report on direction of GridPP in terms of middleware.
159.19: DB to make a list of all GridPP people and their roles
167.2: JC, with input from Stephen Burke to maintain a list of middleware
issues that should be addressed
167.3: RJ to define UK contacts for each experiment who will respond on
experiment operational issues.
167.5 DK to define a possible technical documentation role.
167.8 RJ to raise CDF deliverables definition with Todd Huffmann.
170.2: RJ to invite to representatives to talk to the PMB about GANGA status
170.3: DT to compile and issue a follow-up questionnaire to UB
170.4: TD to speak to COD people about the sound delay in the system
171.1: JG to communicate ADS-Castor planning from Dave Corney more widely
172.1: SP to check how much money is available in the budget for
further dissemination possibilities, then to circulate request to UKHEPGRID.
STANDING ITEMS
==============
SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to SP.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
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