Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php?latest
as well as being listed with other minutes at
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.32
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GridPP PMB Minutes 170 - 9th May 2005
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Present: Tony Doyle, John Gordon, Steve Lloyd, Robin Middleton & Tony Cass
by video. Dave Britton, Dan Tovey, Peter Clarke & Roger Jones by phone.
Sarah Pearce by Skype.
Apologies: Jeremy Coles, Dave Kelsey.
1. Quarterly reports status and issues arising
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(a) Experiments
RJ reported on the applications status of experiments.
GANGA: has been running late but there has been a lot of activity and a
major release is underway. Technical co-ordination is being changed.
ATLAS: is progessing well with no late deliverables currently.
CMS: was late in reporting so a deliverable was missed, their planning
strategy will be reviewed. There has been a lot of effort into other
projects however.
SAMGRID: D0 effort is proceeding but deliverables are late causing a
general drain on resources. CDF requires a review of their planning.
BABAR: currently requiries Objectivity to be installed at the sites, but
there is a plan to replace this. A post at RAL is about to be filled
relating to this.
QCDGRID: on track at present. Want to test new EGEE data management
software.
PHENOGRID: Problems with communications have been reported. They are also
finding difficulty with VO registration. JG said he would issue a link to
a document which will help with this (NEW ACTION)
PORTAL: this started late but has made good progress. The Dissemination
release will be delayed however but it is hoped that it will be done in
time for AHM and Supercomputing. RJ said he would report to PC and SP
regarding these later in the week.
TD asked if someone from GANGA could attend a PMB meeting to
give a status report. RJ said he would invite Glen Patrick and Ulrich
Egede to present this after the next GANGA meeting.(NEW ACTION)
(b) Middleware
RM said he has received all of the reports but there is some important
information for Security that has not yet been covered. It is thought
that the figures for Networking are in terms of FTEs but this is still to
be confirmed. A report will be prepared for next week.
(c) Overview
DB said he was preparing a list of high level issues which will be sent
next week.
2. Preparations for next OC meeting on 1st July
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TD wished to have a formal review of progress w.r.t. the summary of
outcome from the last OC meeting held in January. The board discussed
this briefly and noted that there was identifiable progress in some areas
with others being addressed in the Actions list. One further action was
issued after review: TD asked if RJ and DT could address the issue of
'difficulty of engaging with each of the experiment teams.' This will be
done by reviewing the questionnaire which was issued to the User Board
earlier this year. DT will compile a new one and follow up (NEW ACTION).
3. GridPP13 Agenda
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TD submitted a draft agenda for discussion. A copy of this will be sent
to Nigel Glover. Some further iteration would be required with RJ
& DT on the UB report and Application status. Other areas similarly
require furth input before invitations are sent.
ACTIONS
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157.2: RJ - review experiment computing models for Tier-1 to Tier-2
interactions in the UK.
ongoing
157.9: RM to report on direction of GridPP in terms of middleware.
ongoing
157.12: SP to provide standard template talk for schools.
ongoing - BP has produced a draft which is now being updated
159.11: RJ to make Andrew fully aware of ATLAS plans
done
159.13: TC to extract LCG issues for GridPP13 talks
ongoing
159.14: RM to extract Middleware issues for GridPP13 talks
ongoing
159.19: DB to make a list of all GridPP people and their roles
ongoing - in progess- waiting for logbooks
167.1: JG to report back from networking meeting on service
challenge activity/organisation.
done
167.2: JC, with input from Stephen Burke to maintain a list of middleware
issues that should be addressed
ongoing
167.3: RJ to define UK contacts for each experiment who will
respond on experiment operational issues.
ongoing - a proposed list has been prepared
167.4 TD to discuss with RM revised funding policy for GridPP people
attending HEP SysMan meetings
ongoing - some discussion has taken place
167.5 DK to define a possible technical documentation role.
ongoing
167.6 DM to circulate draft agenda of AHM2005.
done - this was circulated on 6th May
167.8 RJ to raise CDF deliverables definition with Todd Huffmann.
ongoing
167.10 DB to chase up all unfilled GridPP posts at this point.
ongoing - has spoken to several people and will follow up this week
168.2: JC & AS to discuss and finalise production grid milestones &
metrics for Tier-1
ongoing
169.1: RM to provide SP with a quote for the press release on EGEE
conference in Athens
done - A news item has been posted to the web page
NEW ACTION 170.1: JG to issue a URL to give advice for VO registration
NEW ACTION 170.2: RJ to invite to representatives to talk to the PMB
about GANGA status
NEW ACTION 170.3: DT to compile and issue a follow-up questionnaire to UB
NEW ACTION 170.4: TD to speak to COD people about the sound delay in the
system
Standing Items
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SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to
SP. SP had distributed a news item on the upgrade to LCG2.4 for comments.
This was posted to the web page on Tuesday as "GridPP: forward not back".
See
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/news/-1115710713.533581.wlg
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
JC sent the following report with regard to issues from last week:
1) Lack of formal procedures for how to deal with sites that are not
responding to coordinator requests is causing a few problems. To what
extent are the coordinators (or the Tier-2 management) responsible for
getting sites to react? We may need to define a GridPP escalation route.
See e.g. disk deployment URL at
http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/~jferguso/gridppDiscStatus.html
approximations of 4 items required from sites. Raised at previous
deployment meeting. Needed as precursor to dCache in order to plan over
summer. Input awaited from site contacts via T2 coordinators.
In the subsequent discussion it was defined that the PMB weekly meeting
was the appropriate forum for escalation, with DK, SL, JG or TD following
up according to issue raised and PMB member availability.
2) 2.4.0 upgrades appear to have been a success with continued stability
over the last week.
[See news item above]
JG and TD agreed to follow up issues arising at particular sites.
3) JC is still concerned about progress for Service Challenge 3. We have a
meeting this week but so far not one of the Tier-2s has installed dCache
to the extent that an end-point can be provided for testing. Thursday's
meeting will attempt to lay down a more concrete plan of action.
4) Discussions on networking have picked up.
See circulation on Networking Meeting sent last week.
"The PMB encouraged further national bids for
(a) network monitoring - setting up GridMon nodes at sites;
and
(b) security intrusion detection (log server, snort, tripwire, nessus)
if a joint case can be made on how to run/configure these across all
institutes can be determined."
AOB
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The board members attending the meeting by video-conference were unhappy
with the sound delay on the COD facility. TD said he would speak to those
concerned (NEW ACTION).
TC gave his apologies for next week's meeting.
ACTIONS AT 9TH MAY 2005
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157.2: RJ - review experiment computing models for Tier-1 to Tier-2
interactions in the UK.
157.9: RM to report on direction of GridPP in terms of middleware.
157.12: SP to provide standard template talk for schools.
159.13: TC to extract LCG issues for GridPP13 talks
159.14: RM to extract Middleware issues for GridPP13 talks
159.19: DB to make a list of all GridPP people and their roles
167.2: JC, with input from Stephen Burke to maintain a list of middleware
issues that should be addressed
167.3: RJ to define UK contacts for each experiment who will respond on
experiment operational issues.
167.4 TD to discuss with RM revised funding policy for GridPP people
attending HEP SysMan meetings
167.5 DK to define a possible technical documentation role.
167.8 RJ to raise CDF deliverables definition with Todd Huffmann.
167.10 DB to chase up all unfilled GridPP posts at this point.
168.2: JC & AS to discuss and finalise production grid milestones &
metrics for Tier-1
170.1: JG to issue a URL to give advice for VO registration
170.2: RJ to invite to representatives to talk to the PMB about GANGA status
170.3: DT to compile and issue a follow-up questionnaire to UB
170.4: TD to speak to COD people about the sound delay in the system
STANDING ITEMS
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SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to SP.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
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