Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php?latest
as well as being listed with other minutes at
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php
Cheers, Tony
PS minutes from the 159th (F2F) meeting will be circulated shortly.
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
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GridPP PMB Minutes 160 14th February 2005
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Present: Tony Doyle, Steve Lloyd, John Gordon, Dave Britton, Tony Cass,
Dan Tovey, Roger Jones, Peter Clarke, Robin Middleton & Sarah Pearce (by phone)
Apologies: Jeremy Coles, Dave Kelsey
1.Science Committee Outcome
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The case at
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/docs/gridpp2/SC_GridPP2_LCG_1.0.doc
was presented by TD at the meeting on 3rd February and many varied
questions were asked.
TD said he had subsequently spoken with Guy Rickett: the outcome was that
the Science Committee took the view that LCG funding was a high priority.
PPARC planned to negotiate to ensure with CERN and member states to ensure
the full funding of the LCG project.
2. EGEE Review
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RM said that this had been a success which had resulted in many comments,
a few concerns but no surprises. A full report will be issued in due
course.
Actions
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140.9 RM to finalise LCG Deployment Logbook.
ongoing - This is near completition and should be finalised in 2 weeks time.
143.1 TC to investigate making existing LCG source RPMs visible at CERN.
done - the URL for this is:
http://grid-deployment.web.cern.ch/grid-deployment/RpmBuild/
157.1: DT - compile a document on experimental engagements and the
difficulties as they currently perceive them.
done - DT will put this on the UB pages.
157.2: RJ - review experiment computing models for Tier-1 to Tier-2
interactions in the UK.
ongoing.
PC said he had presented slides at the JCN meeting showing connection
status for various sites. He also forwarded a report on a UKERNA/LHC
meeting from Robin Tasker which stated that UKERNA would connect into RAL
very soon with others to follow giving more flexibility in the UK. A JCSR
meeting will take place on Monday with PC & JG in attendance.
RJ joined the meeting at this point and said he had the model for ATLAS
and was now looking at the ones for CMS, LHCb and ALICE. See
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/eb/ComputingModels/index.html
157.3: RM to speak to Stephen Burke to ask if he could work on
a plan to support UK physics analysis community in 2007 with RJ.
done - RM has spoken in SB who in turn has discussed a planning
document with RJ.
157.4: TD to co-ordinate development of Tier-1 allocation policy.
ongoing - The Tier-1 Board met after the face-to-face. TD noted that
Fergus Wilson was now the BABAR EB contact. The BaBar Tier-1 allocation
for 2005 would be met in full, but would depend upon use of the Grid
by Q4.
157.5: DB to co-ordinate development of new risk register.
ongoing - DB is waiting for risk forms to be returned.
157.8: DK to liaise with members of Deployment Team for summarising metrics.
done - JC provided a summary.
157.9: RM to report on direction of GridPP in terms of middleware.
ongoing - this has been delayed due to EGEE waiting on OMII release.
Ongoing discussions are also taking place re Metadata catalogue, ARDA and
EGEE. TD is meeting Frederic Hemmer and Massimo Lamanna for discussion on
middleware status for SC2 this week and will report back.
157.10: JC to report on status of Tier-1 applications w.r.t. middleware
adoption/use.
done
157.11: JG to provide info. on VAT exemption criteria.
ongoing - JG will try to talk to Ken Peach today.
157.12: SP to provide standard template talk for schools.
ongoing - SP said she would ask the new events officer (when appointed) to
do this. SL reported that negotiations were taking place with the chosen
candidate for this post.
157.13: SL to collect Form X information.
done - This is to be circulated to the PMB for info. and then passed to
the CB.
158.1: JG to circulate a list of Tier-1 experimental contact names to PMB
done - URL:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/eb/MailList.htm
ACTIONS FROM FACE-TO-FACE MEETING 2ND FEBRUARY 2005
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159.1: TC to complete LCG Risk Assessment Forms
ongoing
159.2: RM to complete Middleware Risk Assessment Forms
ongoing
159.3: RJ to complete Applications Risk Assessment Forms
done
159.4: TD to complete Tier-1 Risk Assessment Forms
ongoing - this action now passed to JG who is liasing with AS?
159.5: SL to complete Tier-2 Risk Assessment Forms
ongoing
159.6: JC to complete Production Risk Assessment Forms
ongoing
159.7: NG to complete Interoperability Risk Assessment Forms
ongoing
159.8: DB to complete General Risk Assessment Forms
ongoing
159.9: SP to produce business cards for Dave Colling
ongoing
159.10: RM to get Jens and Andrew together to discuss SRM issues
done
159.11: RJ to make Andrew fully aware of ATLAS plans
ongoing
159.12: SL to get reports of Tier-2 internal structures.
ongoing - SL is emailing dates of Management Meetings to the Deployment Team.
159.13: TC to extract LCG issues from GridPP12 talks
ongoing
159.14: RM to extract Middleware issues from GridPP12 talks
ongoing
159.15: RJ to extract Applications issues from GridPP12 talks
ongoing
159.16: TD to extract Tier-1 issues from GridPP12 talks
ongoing (also include Tier-1A Board in this action)
159.17: SL to extract Tier-2 issues from GridPP12 talks
ongoing
159.18: JC to extract Deployment issues from GridPP12 talks
ongoing
159.19: DB to make list of all GridPP people and their roles
ongoing
159.20: RJ/JC to organise a meeting to discuss integration of experiment
planning and service challenges
ongoing - this may take place in March
159.21: RJ to draft a document on high level adoption of our work by CDF
ongoing
159.22: RM to to contact Stephen Burke on relative priority of documentation
ongoing
159.23: TD to contact Minos to see what their requirements are
ongoing
159.24: RJ/TD to contact (other) experiments to find out priority use cases
ongoing
Standing Items
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SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to SP.
SP noted that a news item on GridPP12 had been added.
See
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/news/-1108347923.174545.wlg
SL noted that interviews had been held last week for a press officer,
working with SP. An offer had been made.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
The Production Manager's report will be moved to the top of the next
week's agenda if JC is able to attend.
JC had sent an email detailing 16 issues generated from the 3 day
deployment team workshop held last week summarised as follows:
1) On the basis of site feedback it is now less likely that any UK site
will use Quattor - even the Tier-1A is unlikely to adopt it.
2)Sites have not understood the importance (or urgency) of installing a
monitoring tool such as Ganglia. This is being addressed and will be
raised at the next Tier-2 board (wording in the MoUs may limit what we
can request).
3)Tools and procedures developed within the Tier-1 and CCLRC e-Science
areas could be very useful to Tier-2 sites and we will be exploring this
possibility.
4) We will deploy VOMS for the GridPP VO to gain experience in VOMS.
5)There is a need for developing and sharing diagnostic tools within the
team. Some already exist. The effort will be coordinated via a dedicated
deployment web-page.
6) The lack of an LCG middleware architecture document has increased
problems within the deployment activities - admins do not understand how
components fit together making problem diagnosis more difficult.
7) Lack of manpower at sites is the single biggest problem affecting
deployment. The next significant problem is non-functioning Tier-2
management structures (I will be mailing the T2 managers for information
on current status.)
8) We agreed what the team saw as the scope of the Tier-2 coordinator
roles. This did not include administering a site themselves which 3 of
the 4 coordinators is currently doing.
9) Storage - Edinburgh has deployed dCache. We have selected one site
from each Tier-2 to take part in a wider implementation once Edinburgh
and RAL are able to provide simple installation procedures and the sites
are stable.
10) TB-SUPPORT meetings which have traditionally been focused on updates
and installations will be trialed with a discussion theme.
11) Discussions in the area of "grid vs local access" are biased and the
team strongly favour "local access" which is local only in name!
12) Interaction between the Global Grid User Support (GGUS) helpdesk and
the regional Footprints service is poor. The team have proposed another
approach (using subject field recognition to auto-forward mails) and we
will test this in the next few weeks.
13) Discussions identified several shortcomings in the current
monitoring and CIC-on-duty setup that will be fed back to the relevant
parties.
14) A list of site responsibilities were identified as a basis to
encourage sites to provide the required service levels that will be
expected under the LCG MoU.
15) The subject of planning and metrics occupied a lot of time on the
first two mornings. The team will now attempt to evolve the structure
via e-mail exchange before meeting in early March for a day long
planning meeting.
16) Weekly reporting from the Tier-2s will start this week. EGEE
operations meetings already require weekly regional reporting.
AOB
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JC also requested via email, permission to attend the International
Symposium on Grid Computing 2005 being held in Taipei. The symposium will
be preceded by a GDB LCG Service Challenge meeting.
(http://www.twgrid.org/event/isgc2005/). This has still to be discussed by
the board.
ACTIONS AS AT 14TH FEBRUARY 2005
================================
140.9 RM to finalise LCG Deployment Logbook.
157.2: RJ to review experiment computing models for Tier-1 to Tier-2
interactions in the UK.
157.4: TD to co-ordinate development of Tier-1 allocation policy.
157.5: DB to co-ordinate development of new risk register.
157.9: RM to report on direction of GridPP in terms of middleware.
157.11: JG to provide info. on VAT exemption criteria.
157.12: SP to provide standard template talk for schools.
159.1: TC to complete LCG Risk Assessment Forms.
159.2: RM to complete Middleware Risk Assessment Forms.
159.4: JG to complete Tier-1 Risk Assessment Forms.
159.5: SL to complete Tier-2 Risk Assessment Forms.
159.6: JC to complete Production Risk Assessment Forms.
159.7: NG to complete Interoperability Risk Assessment Forms.
159.8: DB to complete General Risk Assessment Forms.
159.9: SP to produce business cards for Dave Colling.
159.11: RJ to make Andrew fully aware of ATLAS plans.
159.12: SL to get reports of Tier-2 internal structures.
159.13: TC to extract LCG issues from GridPP12 talks.
159.14: RM to extract Middleware issues from GridPP12 talks.
159.15: RJ to extract Applications issues from GridPP12 talks.
159.16: TD to extract Tier-1 and Tier-1A Board issues from GridPP12 talks.
159.17: SL to extract Tier-2 issues from GridPP12 talks.
159.18: JC to extract Deployment issues from GridPP12 talks.
159.19: DB to make list of all GridPP people and their roles.
159.20: RJ/JC to organise a meeting to discuss integration of
experiment planning and service challenges.
159.21: RJ to draft a document on high level adoption of our work by CDF.
159.22: RM to to contact Stephen Burke on relative priority of documentation.
159.23: TD to contact Minos to see what their requirements are.
159.24: RJ/TD to contact (other) experiments to find out priority use cases.
STANDING ITEMS
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SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to
SP.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
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