Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php?latest
as well as being listed with other minutes at:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.33
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GridPP PMB Minutes 194 - 21st November 2005
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Present: Dave Britton, Stephen Burke, Steve Lloyd, Jeremy Coles, Tony
Doyle, Robin Middleton, Roger Jones, Dave Kelsey, Dave Newbold & Sarah
Pearce. This was a combination of phone & gizmo as the dial up number
chosen conflicted with someone else using the system.
Apologies: John Gordon (attended at beginning but had to leave), Peter
Clarke, Tony Cass.
1. LHCb application for support
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TD wished to discuss the proposal to fund an LHCb software course in
January. It was noted that GridPP had already supported an experiment
for a second event, so it had to be decided if it would be possible to
change policy rules to allow further funding. The PMB agreed that it was.
It was noted however, that the proposed dates for the course would clash
with GridPP15 and it should be requested that the course be
re-scheduled. After further discussion it was also
noted that the material prepared for this was 'Da Vinci Tutorial' and
should therefore be referred to LHCb e-Science for funding.
[Note: TD provided feedback to LHCb after the meeting]
2. T2 FEC preliminary input to PPARC
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TD explained that he had asked SL to provide depreciation costs using
Tier-2 outturns as one starting point.
The motivation for this was to be helpful in making requests to PPARC for
depreciation costs for equipment at Universities. TD said costs could be
worked out in different ways but had to be within a reasonable cost
estimate. The procedure entailed that computing that was being deployed
would be funded based on the previous year's usage. He said that a
meeting should be arranged with PPARC representatives to find the best
approach. DN asked if deployment was paid in arrears and TD said this
would have to be discussed and a model set in place. He also said the
principle was that we only pay for what is delivered and that PPARC could
well impose a cap. DN said the procedure seemed out of step and hardware
providers could be shortchanged. TD said we have no allocation of
funding for GridPP to 2007 and that we have 2 years based on limited
funds so we would have to draw from FEC funds allocated to PPARC. DN
said that this would be problematic for future investment if funds were
not available for existing hardware.
PC had laid out a set of points for consideration by PPARC. TD had
already had some discussion with Deborah Miller but more talks were
needed with PPARC which would include Janet Seed and Andrew Lemasurier.
It was intended that a phone conference be arranged for 9th or 13th
December to raise questions w.r.t. future T2 funding. This would
hopefully be signed off with a CB meeting in March.
3. Feedback from SC05
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RJ reported briefly and said 1,200 people had visited the UK booth and a
great deal of interest was shown. Tony Hey had visited the booth but
unfortunately not Bill Gates. A full report will be given to SP for the
news page.
4. Agenda for GridPP15
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TD confirmed that Nick Brook had agreed to give an overview prior to the
open discussions on how experiments interact with Service Challenges.
Development of the draft agenda was ongoing.
STANDING ITEMS
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SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to SP.
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SP said she had posted the item about the Webcast on Friday 18th.
She was expecting a report from SCO5.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
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Due to technical difficulties JC was unable to report directly. On his
behalf, TD reported briefly on the LCG review: The second UK talk was by
Gordon Brown (RAL - working on the 3D database project), Graeme Stewart
gave a talk on Tier-2s. Both went down well..
SI-3 LCG Management Board Report of Issues.
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JG had forwarded an email which included reviewer's summary.
Congratulations were offered to the people who gave talks.
Note that EGEE is THE European infrastructure project (not LCG).
SI-4 Documentation Officer's weekly report of issues.
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SB had sent emails relating to web pages but due to lack of time these
could not be reviewed. He will therefore have discussions with SP & JC
at a later time.
ACTIONS
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184.1: TC to write document "How CERN helps the small sites to install
and manage the LCG software"
- ongoing
184.2: DN and JG to report on GridPP All Hands abstracts
- done - JG had discussed this with Ron Perrott and reported back.
184.3: RM and RJ to document Gap Analysis
- ongoing
184.4: DN to document UB questionnaire issues
- ongoing
187.1: JG to prepare combined actions list from GridPP14 meeting
- ongoing
191.2: DK to liaise with Robin Tasker regarding the purchase of monitor
machines
- done - the order went out last week.
193.1: SL to provide depreciation costs for Tier-2 outturns based on
outcomes for Q4/2004-Q3/2005
- done - but wider discussion is needed
AOCB
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RM reported that 25 people had applied to attend CHEP06. 20k was agreed
to be the maximum funding for this. He will circulate current status.
It was confirmed that local arrangements were being made for
accommodation in Abingdon for GridPP. TD said he would organise the
agenda and also the registration form [if needed] (ACTION)
NEW ACTION 194.1: TD to compile a registration form and agenda for GridPP15
ACTIONS AS AT 21ST NOVEMBER 2005
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184.1: TC to write document "How CERN helps the small sites to install
and manage the LCG software"
184.3: RM and RJ to document Gap Analysis
184.4: DN to document UB questionnaire issues
187.1: JG to prepare combined actions list from GridPP14 meeting
194.1: TD to compile a registration form and agenda for GridPP15
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