Dear All,
Please find attached the weekly GridPP Project Management
Board Meeting minutes. The latest minutes can be found each week in:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php?latest
as well as being listed with other minutes at:
http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/php/pmb/minutes.php
Cheers, Tony
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Tony Doyle, GridPP Project Leader Telephone: +44-141-330 5899
Rm 478, Kelvin Building Telefax: +44-141-330 5881
Dept of Physics and Astronomy EMail: [log in to unmask]
University of Glasgow Web: http://ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~doyle
G12 8QQ, UK Video - IP: 194.36.1.33
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GridPP PMB Minutes 193 - 14th November 2005
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Present: Dave Britton, Stephen Burke, Steve Lloyd, Jeremy Coles, Tony
Doyle, Robin Middleton, & Tony Cass. Sarah Pearce by Gizmo, Peter Clarke
(audio only)
Apologies: John Gordon, Roger Jones, Dave Kelsey, Dave Newbold
The PMB decided to give up on trying to use CoD. They will use a
combination of Gizmo and phone as from next week.
1. T1-T2 schedule/planning
==========================
The board discussed the issues which were sent in an email from JC prior
to the meeting:
Summary of high-level milestones (this is the updated version after
discussion with the PMB. JC sent this to JG as input to the LCG MB.)
* SRM
** 80% of sites have working (file transfers with 2 other sites
successful) SRM by end of December
** All sites have working SRM by end of January
** 40% of sites (using FTS) able to transfer files using an SRM 2.1 API
by end February
** All sites (using FTS) able to transfer files using an SRM 2.1 API by
end March
** Interoperability tests between SRM versions at Tier-1 and Tier-2s
(TBC)
* FTS
** FTS channel to be created for all T1-T2 connections by end of January
** FTS client configured for 40% sites by end January
** FTS channels created for one Intra-Tier-2 test for each Tier-2 by end
of January
** FTS client configured for all sites by end March
* Tier-1 to Tier-2 Transfers (target rate 300-500Mb/s)
** Sustained transfer of 1TB data to 20% sites by end December
** Sustained transfer of 1TB data from 20% sites by end December
** Sustained transfer of 1TB data to 50% sites by end January
** Sustained transfer of 1TB data from 50% sites by end January
** Peak rate tests undertaken for the two largest Tier-2 sites in each
Tier-2 by end February
** Sustained individual transfers (>1TB continuous) to all sites
completed by mid-March
** Sustained individual transfers (>1TB continuous) from all sites
completed by mid-March
** Peak rate tests undertaken for all sites by end March
** Aggregate Tier-2 to Tier-1 tests completed at target rate (rate TBC)
by end March
* Tier-2 Transfers (target rate 100 Mb/s)
** Sustained transfer of 1TB data between largest site in each Tier-2 to
that of another Tier-2 by end February
** Peak rate tests undertaken for 50% sites in each Tier-2 by end
February
* LFC
** LFC document available by end November
** LFC installed at 1 site in each Tier-2 by end December
** LFC installed at 50% sites by end January
** LFC installed at all sites by end February
** Database update tests (TBC)
* VO Boxes (depending on experiment responses to security and operations
questionnaire and GridPP position on VO Boxes)
** VOBs available (for agreed VOs only) at 1 site in each Tier-2 by
mid-January
** VOBs available at 50% sites by mid-February
** VOBs available at all (participating) sites by end March
* Experiment specific tests TBC
** To be developed in conjunction with experiment plans
2. Agenda for GridPP15
======================
TD said that Jamie Shiers had been invited to attend and would give a
talk on plans for deployment in his area. TD asked if TC & JC could help
JS to organise this and assist with a breakdown and overview. TD said
there should also be middleware development summary talks on the agenda
as more focus was needed on interaction with experiments. He also said
that more understanding was needed of deployment planning linking into
Data Management by experiments and what they need. He said that Nick
Brook had given a talk on this at the GDB and he should be invited to
have a panel discussion with technical people from experiments. JC asked
about discussion groups and if one person representing each experiment
was sufficient. TD said that pre-arranged questions could be prepared
with one person allocated from each area to attend. He will send an
outline of the agenda after consulting with DK & RJ.
3. Dates for GridPP17
=====================
TD said that dates for this were now defined as being from March
19th-21st 2007 and the Kelvin Lecture Theatre had been booked.
See http://www.gridpp.ac.uk/meetings/
Student accommodation would not be available as this is during term time.
BS had been checking out hotel prices. The closest and largest venue in
the area is the Grosvenor but the special deal of 80 per night being
offered was considered to be too expensive. Alternatives are being
sought.
STANDING ITEMS
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SI-1 ALL: to provide any news items and meeting dates for the web page to SP.
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SP said she had received a quote from JG on the EGEE conference. She also
has a draft press release on the webcast from CERN that PPARC will put
out later this week. She will then put this on the GridPP site. She
hopes to have a news item following JG (and others) attendance at
Supercomputing. The proofs from JPhysG have been received and she will
let us know when these will be published.
SI-2 Production Manager's weekly report of issues.
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JC asked everyone to review the document Graeme Stewart had prepared for
presenting to the LCG Annual Review at CERN. TD suggested that the plans
for Tier-1 & Tier-2 should be included as well.
JC was looking into training being provided by Nesc and said that general
technician training courses are not being offered and that more support
was needed for this in particular with relation to g-Lite.
Security Challenges are ongoing but the response procedure has to be
reviewed.
SI-3 LCG Management Board Report of Issues.
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TD referred the board to the e-mail of input from Kors Bos (GDB)
SI-4 Documentation Officer's weekly report of issues.
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SB has been looking at the Deployment website and sent an email offering
suggestions to improve the links to make it easier for new users to
follow. TD forwarded an example of an (ATLAS specific) URL which gives
step by step guidelines for a "new student starting work". Further
discussion on this and also for having a recognised site for Googling
will take place between SB, SP & JC.
ACTIONS
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184.1: TC to write document "How CERN helps the small sites to install
and manage the LCG software"
- ongoing
184.2: DN and JG to report on GridPP All Hands abstracts
- ongoing
184.3: RM and RJ to document Gap Analysis
- ongoing
184.4: DN to document UB questionnaire issues
- ongoing
187.1: JG to prepare combined actions list from GridPP14 meeting
- ongoing
191.2: DK to liaise with Robin Tasker regarding the purchase of monitor
machines
- ongoing
191.3: JG to provide SP with a statement about the EGGE conference in Pisa
- done
191.4: JG to provide SP with information/list regarding invitations from
the UK stand at SC05
- done
AOB
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SL said he had used the NorduGrid user interface software for an ATLAS
job and he was able to download the file and submit the job easily.
Note: SB circulated the link for UIPnP (user space UI):
http://grid-it.cnaf.infn.it/index.php?userinterface&type=1
This was tested and shown to work by SL. Some discussions followed on RB
monitoring at the GOC. Plans are in hand to improve this with a dedicated
map for resource brokers.
SL also asked about the discussion they had several weeks ago in relation
to depreciation costs for hardware. TD asked him to provide depreciation
costs of Tier-2 outturns based on outcomes for Q4/2004-Q5/2005 (ACTION)
NEW ACTION 193.1: SL to provide depreciation costs for Tier-2 outturns
based on outcomes for Q4/2004-Q3/2005.
Note: a first draft was circulated shortly after the meeting by SL,
following discussion between SL, DB and TD.
ACTIONS
=======
184.1: TC to write document "How CERN helps the small sites to install
and manage the LCG software"
184.2: DN and JG to report on GridPP All Hands abstracts
184.3: RM and RJ to document Gap Analysis
184.4: DN to document UB questionnaire issues
187.1: JG to prepare combined actions list from GridPP14 meeting
191.2: DK to liaise with Robin Tasker regarding the purchase of monitor
machines
193.1: SL to provide depreciation costs for Tier-2 outturns based on
outcomes for Q4/2004-Q3/2005
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