I think you are absolutely right, Cathy about club nights. I think Andy
Bennett makes a similar point in his 2000 book, Popular Music and Youth
Culture
David

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From: "Catherine Phillpotts" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Subcultural differences ...


So we're talking about subcultures within subcultures. As a regularly
attendee of Full Tilt events for years, I had not realised that these
subcultures were usually *so* separate.

See:
http://www.electric-ballroom.co.uk/club_nights/inferno/index.html
For a flyer about current Full Tilt events. When you look at the types
of music represented, and take into account the fact that attendees
wander from floor to floor as the fancy takes them, perhaps it is no
surprise that I had no idea of the sort of problems of crossing over
described in the posted article .

Cathy
PS This comment does not cast aspersions on P. Hodkinson's research -
I'm just pointing out that perhaps the subculture of the Full Tilt
events is atypical.

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-----Original Message-----
From: List for study of youth style subcultures
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Sent: 25 May 2005 16:36
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Subject: Re: Subcultural differences ...


David wrote:

"well there we are. Irefutable confirmation of my claim that homological
oppositions in subcultures were theorised as too tightly drawn!"

P. Hodkinson responded:

Oh NO - all my arguments are destroyed!!! ;)
(see below)

"In addition, the tendency for goths to attend relatively exclusive
subcultural events decreased the chances of meeting, let alone getting
together with, outsiders to the subculture. Furthermore, the extent of
most goths' subcultural commitment was such that any relationships with
non-goths that did get underway were liable to suffer from serious
practical difficulties: