Judy, behave
I had an illumitation this afternoon: me and my initably named friend
Victoria were sitting in the Swan and Rushes ( you can ask Rob about that
place - it's a real English pub) and the conversation went on to why we get
on, we decided it's because we hate each other, in other words we're in
love.
That's life.
Best
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Prince" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> Dear Randolph,
>
> If I may borrow you and your email message to reply to Da Birk bcuz I
understandably am trying to distance m'sel' from the poor boy who though he
has offered a pitiful apology to you nevertheless aims for the reckless path
of self-petc-iciding in a rather permanent fashion.
>
> I think you ought, in addition, to your gentle reprimand to Da Birk for
his obnoxiously thoughtless slander of all Christendom, all DomDomdom, all
Qu-rain-readingdom and all permutative religious states inbetweendom, give
Da B enuff time to Google the rest of the cosmoses sacred texts and rush
back to petc posting that list replete with sodding descriptions to the
entertainment of all petcland as well as the climax of the thread of his
demise.
>
> Then he'd be free---really free---to run after his pubmates, drink 6 or 7
pints o` ale, and then piss into the fireplace such as Jackson Pollock did
in his patron's NYC townhouse. Such requires a cold cock at the very least,
and ought be done far away from the immolating of Guy Fawkes effigies and
sundry bonfires and fireworks---as well as far away from the bloody pubmates
who're lesser cold cocks, the barkeep who must relight the bloody fire, and
Patrick McManus who with ViolentBoris has unsheathed whatever it is that
they've sheathed in their codpieces.
>
> Blessings and kisses to you and for your considerable patience and
understanding of me and my strange habits which I'd love to describe in
detail frontchannel.
>
> Hugs and kisses of course,
>
> Judy
>
> > From: wild honey press <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 2005/11/06 Sun PM 01:54:42 EST
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> >
> > Yeah. Well, I wouldn't be happy defending lots of things. However, since
the
> > list is hosted by jiscmail, an academic server, I've a background
concern
> > that the list could be shut down if an unsympathetic view is taken of
> > things.
> >
> > One might also remark, redundantly I suppose, that not all believers in
the
> > Koran, Bible or whatever, are believers in violence.
> >
> > Treacherous waters.
> >
> > best
> >
> > Randolph
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MJ Walker" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [POETRYETC] Thought for the day
> >
> >
> > > This I find, with all due respect, Randolph, pretty obscurantist -
after
> > > centuries of ecclesiastical censorship & persecution on the one hand &
on
> > > the other efforts to demystify what is after all the crude tendency of
a
> > > lot of "sacred texts" to glorify violence in the name of the Lord
> > > (whatever his given name); there is no such privileged status for the
> > > writings of less successful sects, those which like the Cathars were
> > > genocidally eliminated by a coalition of Church & state, for the
beliefs
> > > & rituals of those millions sacrificed by the Spanish invaders in what
we
> > > now call "Latin" America in the name of G-. The Muslim invasion &
conquest
> > > of India brought the deaths of almost a hundred million Hindus in its
> > > wake, this being placed on record and justified in the name of Allah
by
> > > those responsible. And so it goes. If someone wants to defend the
Koran,
> > > the Bible or the Book of Mormon from David's rather humorous charge,
then
> > > fine, but waving the flag of "sacred text" is not going to protect any
> > > ideology from the weapons of criticism or the criticism of weapons, I
> > > hope, particularly on this list. Compared with the inflammatory tenor
of
> > > some present-day calls to arms at least pretending to religious
> > > inspiration, the term "a load of bollocks" strikes me as rather mild.
> > > Best
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > wild honey press wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear David,
> > >>
> > >> I'd prefer if you didn't call what some regard as sacred texts as a
load
> > >> of bollocks.
> > >>
> > >> best
> > >>
> > >> Randolph
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bircumshaw"
> > >> <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:37 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [POETRYETC] Thought for the day
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Dear Granpa
> > >>>
> > >>> now i dont listen to that thing daily, i just catch it now and
again,
> > >>> BUT
> > >>> you are wrong - they have had at least one atheist talking, i know
> > >>> because i
> > >>> heard that one, point two, the emphasis in recent times has not been
> > >>> churchy, the star turns are a Sikh and a Jew, it does matter, in our
> > >>> society, that bridges are offered, i'm thinking this time about the
> > >>> terrible
> > >>> inter-racial violence that has beset Brum, that between
> > >>> Anglo-Caribeaeans
> > >>> ( can't spell that right this time of night) and Asians.
> > >>>
> > >>> These matters are scary, I had to occasion the other day to actually
> > >>> read
> > >>> the Qu'ran - in translation - it reminded me nothing so much as the
Book
> > >>> of
> > >>> Mormon - i.e. a load of bollocks - but unfortunately a load of b.
that
> > >>> justifies, exhorts in fact, violence. I thought parts of the Bible
were
> > >>> nuts
> > >>> but this is in a class by its own.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best
> > >>>
> > >>> Dave
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Patrick McManus" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:43 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Dave-Bertrand Russell as an atheist would not be invited -that is
the
> > >>>> problem
> > >>>> For twenty tears or so other voices- than smoothy churchfolk (one
> > >>>> always
> > >>>
> > >>> if
> > >>>
> > >>>> caught before turning it off wonders- how they will get god into
it)
> > >>>> other
> > >>>> voices have been trying to get heard-but it has some how been sewn
> > >>>> up-shame(like bishops being allowed as of right in the House of
Lords?
> > >>>> P atheist P
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry
and
> > >>>> poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David
Bircumshaw
> > >>>> Sent: 05 November 2005 19:56
> > >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> > >>>> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Roger, I doubt whether an advent of humanists or atheists would
make
> > >>>> any
> > >>>> difference to the platitude output of TFTD. As I see it, in its
> > >>>> half-baked
> > >>>> way, it is doing a service in admiting the voices of other
traditions
> > >>>
> > >>> (Sikh,
> > >>>
> > >>>> Moslem, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist) in an anodyne way to the actuality
of
> > >>>> Britain. what is noticeably absent is the 'God-squad' - the
right-wing
> > >>>> fundamentalist evangelical Christians - they don't get air-time.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes, its a fuzz, so are the services on long wave too, but I would
> > >>>> rather
> > >>>> that fuzz than other things. The way I read it is that it is a
sprout
> > >>>> from
> > >>>> the liberal-humanist tradition (which is what is responsible, to an
> > >>>
> > >>> extent,
> > >>>
> > >>>> for what elements of being civilised this country has) - Bertrand
> > >>>> Russell,
> > >>>> if he were still alive, would not be out of place on it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> All the Best
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dave
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Roger Day" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:27 AM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think Patrick got it about right. The fact that the people on
TFTD
> > >>>> sound so reasonable and cosy and warmsy marmite doesn't lessen
their
> > >>>> status, or their fundamentalism. The fact that they're not
(currently)
> > >>>> caling for anyone's head to be chopped doesn't essen their
potential,
> > >>>> or the anomaly of this secular nation being treated to their
> > >>>> half-baked ideas and platitudes on a daily basis. A better
leavening
> > >>>> of atheists and humanists wouldn't go amiss. Also, the anomaly of
the
> > >>>> daily service on R4 long wave - that should have been dunked years
> > >>>> ago. The BBC sometimes feels as if the 1940s never ended. Orwell
would
> > >>>> be quite at home, I think.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The religious in the UK have their own radio and TV stations these
> > >>>> days.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Roger
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 11/5/05, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >>>> > Well there was a certain irony in my choice of post title,
Patrick. I
> > >>>> think
> > >>>> > you might give a rather wrong impression of the beeb thing to our
US
> > >>>> > cousins - it's not, is it, by any means God-spouting
fundamentalism,
> > >>>
> > >>> it's
> > >>>
> > >>>> > rather soft and soggy and very very multi-cultural : Sikhs,
Muslims,
> > >>>
> > >>> Jews,
> > >>>
> > >>>> > Hindus as well as Christians do the speak. I think they had an
> > >>>> atheist
> > >>>> once
> > >>>> > as well. It is, generally speaking, quite harmless, and
forgetable,
> > >>>
> > >>> apart
> > >>>
> > >>>> > from some of Rabbi Lionel Blum's jokes (at times!)
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Poets get a look in on R4 early too - there was Mr Horowitz
> > >>>> inimitably
> > >>>> > singing his ideas of how Blake should be a little while back. The
> > >>>> presenters
> > >>>> > have been known to quote Milton from memory (on Today I'm talking
> > >>>> about
> > >>>> > now) - imagine that across the waters.
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Best
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > Dave
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> > From: "Patrick McManus" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:37 AM
> > >>>> > Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> >
> > >>>> > > 'Thought for the day' on our radio is religious propaganda/
> > >>>> > > brainwashing-/toshing posing as serious ideas-the BBC is
> > >>>> breaking its
> > >>>> > > charter on balance here -why not instead of religious pundits
have
> > >>>
> > >>> some
> > >>>
> > >>>> > > real thinkers (now not allowed)or god help us!!!bring on the
> > >>>> lions or
> > >>>> even
> > >>>> > > some poets spouting off-protest now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >>>> > > P atheist P
> > >>>> >
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> http://www.badstep.net/
> > >>>> http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > >
> > > Nous ne faisons que nous entregloser. - Montaigne
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