Hi Randolph
I didn't realise that my off-hand casual remark was going to stir things so
much. I live, I exist in, a truly multi-cultural society, to accomadate each
we accept the piss-take, I rib Moslem friends of mine something rotten, and
they go along with it, and get me back too. What we all agree on, whether
Sikh, Hindu, Jain, Moslem, Christian or atheist or agnostic is what a load
of crap Leicester City Football Club are at the moment, we can spend hours
mulling over a pint about this serious subject - it's got that bad we even
let the women talk (joke)
I'm a Christian. The Bible is full of bollocks. C'est la vie.
Best
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "wild honey press" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> Dear David,
>
> I'd prefer if you didn't call what some regard as sacred texts as a load
of
> bollocks.
>
> best
>
> Randolph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [POETRYETC] Thought for the day
>
>
> > Dear Granpa
> >
> > now i dont listen to that thing daily, i just catch it now and again,
BUT
> > you are wrong - they have had at least one atheist talking, i know
because
> > i
> > heard that one, point two, the emphasis in recent times has not been
> > churchy, the star turns are a Sikh and a Jew, it does matter, in our
> > society, that bridges are offered, i'm thinking this time about the
> > terrible
> > inter-racial violence that has beset Brum, that between
Anglo-Caribeaeans
> > ( can't spell that right this time of night) and Asians.
> >
> > These matters are scary, I had to occasion the other day to actually
read
> > the Qu'ran - in translation - it reminded me nothing so much as the Book
> > of
> > Mormon - i.e. a load of bollocks - but unfortunately a load of b. that
> > justifies, exhorts in fact, violence. I thought parts of the Bible were
> > nuts
> > but this is in a class by its own.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Patrick McManus" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> >
> >
> >> Dave-Bertrand Russell as an atheist would not be invited -that is the
> >> problem
> >> For twenty tears or so other voices- than smoothy churchfolk (one
always
> > if
> >> caught before turning it off wonders- how they will get god into it)
> >> other
> >> voices have been trying to get heard-but it has some how been sewn
> >> up-shame(like bishops being allowed as of right in the House of Lords?
> >> P atheist P
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and
> >> poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Bircumshaw
> >> Sent: 05 November 2005 19:56
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> >>
> >> Roger, I doubt whether an advent of humanists or atheists would make
any
> >> difference to the platitude output of TFTD. As I see it, in its
> >> half-baked
> >> way, it is doing a service in admiting the voices of other traditions
> > (Sikh,
> >> Moslem, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist) in an anodyne way to the actuality of
> >> Britain. what is noticeably absent is the 'God-squad' - the right-wing
> >> fundamentalist evangelical Christians - they don't get air-time.
> >>
> >> Yes, its a fuzz, so are the services on long wave too, but I would
rather
> >> that fuzz than other things. The way I read it is that it is a sprout
> >> from
> >> the liberal-humanist tradition (which is what is responsible, to an
> > extent,
> >> for what elements of being civilised this country has) - Bertrand
> >> Russell,
> >> if he were still alive, would not be out of place on it.
> >>
> >> All the Best
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Roger Day" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:27 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> >>
> >>
> >> I think Patrick got it about right. The fact that the people on TFTD
> >> sound so reasonable and cosy and warmsy marmite doesn't lessen their
> >> status, or their fundamentalism. The fact that they're not (currently)
> >> caling for anyone's head to be chopped doesn't essen their potential,
> >> or the anomaly of this secular nation being treated to their
> >> half-baked ideas and platitudes on a daily basis. A better leavening
> >> of atheists and humanists wouldn't go amiss. Also, the anomaly of the
> >> daily service on R4 long wave - that should have been dunked years
> >> ago. The BBC sometimes feels as if the 1940s never ended. Orwell would
> >> be quite at home, I think.
> >>
> >> The religious in the UK have their own radio and TV stations these
days.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >> On 11/5/05, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> > Well there was a certain irony in my choice of post title, Patrick. I
> >> think
> >> > you might give a rather wrong impression of the beeb thing to our US
> >> > cousins - it's not, is it, by any means God-spouting fundamentalism,
> > it's
> >> > rather soft and soggy and very very multi-cultural : Sikhs, Muslims,
> > Jews,
> >> > Hindus as well as Christians do the speak. I think they had an
atheist
> >> once
> >> > as well. It is, generally speaking, quite harmless, and forgetable,
> > apart
> >> > from some of Rabbi Lionel Blum's jokes (at times!)
> >> >
> >> > Poets get a look in on R4 early too - there was Mr Horowitz
inimitably
> >> > singing his ideas of how Blake should be a little while back. The
> >> presenters
> >> > have been known to quote Milton from memory (on Today I'm talking
about
> >> > now) - imagine that across the waters.
> >> >
> >> > Best
> >> >
> >> > Dave
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Patrick McManus" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:37 AM
> >> > Subject: Re: Thought for the day
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > 'Thought for the day' on our radio is religious propaganda/
> >> > > brainwashing-/toshing posing as serious ideas-the BBC is breaking
its
> >> > > charter on balance here -why not instead of religious pundits have
> > some
> >> > > real thinkers (now not allowed)or god help us!!!bring on the lions
or
> >> even
> >> > > some poets spouting off-protest now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> > > P atheist P
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/
> >
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