exactly so
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "MJ Walker" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Robert Kagan on military power and perception
> Here is a nice example of "jihadist" from today's Guardian:
> >>"London is easily the most jihadist hub in western Europe," Roger
> Cressy, a former White House counterterrorism official, told the Los
> Angeles Times.
> [...] In the Wall Street Journal, the former head of the State
> Department's counter-terrorism centre, Larry Johnson, said Britain had
> been too squeamish about respecting Muslims' rights. As a result, argues
> Peter Bergen, a fellow of the New America Foundation, British Muslims
> pose "one of the greatest terrorist threats to the United States" [....]
> So entrenched is the British capital as an outpost of the Muslim
> diaspora, that London is now commonly referred to as "Londonistan" - a
> word used several times in different papers.<<
> So Britain is now a big part of the problem for the US. Tony must look
> to his laurels. *1984*, anyone?
> mj
> Lawrence Upton wrote:
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dominic Fox" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 11:59 PM
> >Subject: Re: Robert Kagan on military power and perception
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Well, I guess I would make a good Dalek.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Only you would know. It never occurred to me.
> >
> >
> >
> >>I consider "the war on terror" a misnomer, for the reasons I gave
> >>
> >>
> >earlier. But if its "premise" is that there is a difference between
> >regular warfare and the ideological terrorism of the jihadists,
> >
> >I am not sure there is anything identifiable as "regular warfare" tho I
can
> >imagine Bush saying that
> >
> >"jihadists? one up on towelheads to me
> >
> >It's more the them and us structure I deny
> >
> >sure there is a difference otherwise, the main one that in what you call
> >regular warfare, we do it to them
> >
> >if youre in baghdad & a _precision guided weapon_ falls on your house
it's
> >probably much the same as being on that bus in tavistock sq
> >
> >and some hypocrite in london or washington saying ah the difference is we
> >dont like doing it makes no difference, makes it worse to me
> >
> > > which seems commonsensical to me.
> >
> >it always does, and so the suffering has continued
> >
> >
> >
> >>But while we can and should stop doing
> >>
> >>
> >some of the fouler things we do, we can't actually stop responding, go
> >back to sleep and pretend the bombs were meant for someone else.
> >
> >well i dont think i proposed any of that
> >
> >
> >
> >>We
> >>
> >>
> >have many things to be ashamed of; but the terrorist bombs are not our
> >long-overdue punishment for those things; and we shouldn't let our
> >desire for punishment overwhelm our instinct for self-preservation.
> >
> >nor that
> >
> >so i wont waste breath answering them
> >
> >all best
> >
> >L
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> M.J.Walker - no webpage, no blogspot, no idea -
>
> nobody dies, 'nothing happens', we call it music,
> it is time rushing past the shabby portals of our ear
>
> and I am just a terrible mistake.
> Robert Kelly
>
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