I like better the ideas promulgated (by whom? Pound? etc) that the idea
of 'progress' in the arts misses the point; those cave paintings are as
stunning as ay later works from various times. They stand together & we
stand together in awe before them.
Doug
On 11-Jan-05, at 1:32 AM, Mark Weiss wrote:
> Gombrich seems to be stating a truism. The story, not of art, but of
> art as
> a continuous effort, depends on unbroken evidence of continuity to be
> a story.
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 06:23 PM 1/10/2005, you wrote:
>> "The great art historian Ernst Gombrich was prompted to observe that:
>>
>> . the story of art as a continuous effort does not begin in the caves
>> of
>> southern France or among the North American Indians. there is no
>> direct
>> tradition which links these strange beginnings with our own days. But
>> there
>> is a direct tradition, handed down from master to pupil . . . which
>> links
>> the art of our own days with the art of the Nile valley some 5000
>> years ago.
>> "
>>
>> (E.H. Gombrich, _The Story of Art_, 16th edition, London: Phaidon
>> Press,
>> 1995, quoted in Paul Calter, _Squaring the Circle: Geometry in Art &
>> Architecture_, California: Key College Publishing, forthcoming (2003);
>> online at
>> http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geometry/unit1/INTRO.html)
>>
>> I don't agree with Gombrich -- absence of an evidence trail doesn't
>> mean the
>> trail was never there.
>>
>> :P
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to
>> > poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>> > Behalf Of Anny Ballardini
>> > Sent: 10 January 2005 22:30
>> > To: [log in to unmask]
>> > Subject: Re: ancient technique
>> >
>> > Hopefully I didn't scare anybody, or was not too abstruse.
>> > The writer gives for granted that _painting_ is an ancient
>> > technique (tecnica antica, this is what he says), and is
>> > talking of two performances that took place at a gallery at
>> > the opening and closing of the exhibit. I was quite surprised
>> > that painting could be considered _ancient_, and was asking
>> > the List if you agree or disagree.
>> >
>> > Painting takes time, a longest time, and a lot of practice to
>> > get to passable works. But this does not mean that painting
>> > is not used any more, even if at galleries it is much easier
>> > to find : installations, performances as in this case,
>> > videos, photographs, collages, and what else. You often have
>> > to go to a Museum to find some wonderful paintings.
>> >
>> > So it is true, that painting is an ancient technique. I just
>> > didn't realize it until now.
>> >
>> > ________________________________________
>> >
>> > ___or even an ancient technique like painting___
>> >
>> > I am translating, and here I am writing the above words.
>> > Which evidently struck me. Who dis/agrees with this?
>> > The topic pivots on performance, or contemporary arts in general.
>> >
>> >
>> > Anny Ballardini
>> > http://annyballardini.blogspot.com
>> > http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome
>> > The aim of the poet is to awaken emotions in the soul, not to
>> > gather admirers.
>> > Stalker, Andrei Tarkovsky
>> >
>> >
>
>
Douglas Barbour
Department of English
University of Alberta
Edmonton Alberta T6G 2E5 Canada
(780) 436 3320
http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/dbhome.htm
The poet is ecstatic, having dreamt of this visit for weeks.
He takes Erato’s face, dribbling and wild, between his hands
and kisses her gently as if she were a runaway teenager.
Diana Hartog
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