is that on your own website Douglas? so the ISP and domain registration etc
is something you manage yourself?
Sue
At 09:18 PM 2/17/2005, you wrote:
>One comment about Gerald's post. I have had all my work up on the Web for
>over ten years now, adding fresh books and pamphlets as they have arrived.
>It has made the difference between having thousands of readers and tens of
>readers. I think it has been well worth doing. Resetting in HTML is trivial.
>An afternoon's work.
>
>Douglas Clark, Bath, Somerset, England ....
>http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gerald England" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:58 AM
>Subject: Re: Hi and little magazines
>
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Sue Stanford" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: "Gerald England" <[log in to unmask]>; "Poetryetc"
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 4:36 AM
>>Subject: Re: Hi and little magazines
>>
>>
>>>Dear Gerald (and others),
>>>
>>>Thank you for your comments about the little magazines and the internet.
>>>
>>>My own thoughts are rather unformed...but this is where I am so far:
>>>
>>>I agree with you that it is easier to read poetry (or anything) on a page
>>>than on a screen. When it comes to many of the more established (but
>>>still
>>>in copyright) poets its quite hard to find more than a tiny sample of
>>>their work through Google. I wonder if this is a trend that will persist,
>>>but certainly the little money there is to be made in publishing poetry
>>>is
>>>more likely to get into a poet's pocket if s/he through a book or more
>>>'prestige' paper publication.
>>
>>Well I would hope so -- in the main -- if you could read ALL of a poet's
>>work on the net then why bother buying their book?
>>
>>
>>>On the other hand, it is much easier to get a first taste of a poet's
>>>work
>>>through the internet. I quite often read the poems on the Poetry Daily
>>>site and when I am impressed go looking for more of a poet's work either
>>>through Google or in a bookshop/Amazon.
>>
>>Wish there were more poetry buyers like you around.
>>
>>I've put a sample poem from each of the NHI publications on my Pickings
>>section
>>http://www.nhi.clara.net/pickings.htm
>>partly in the hope that readers will discover a poem/poet and go on to buy
>>the book/magazine.
>>
>>I suspect the number of people who've bought a book having done so is very
>>very small, but one can only try these things and most small
>>presses/magazines usually have a showcase side to their websites.
>>
>>Not many [Shearsman comes to mind for one] publish the same material both
>>online and in print.
>>
>>
>>>As far a publishing one's own work goes, the disadvantages of time and
>>>typos that you mention in your article make the internet a good option.
>>>Also one's poems stay available - anyone who likes one can look up more.
>>>(This can be embarrassing, of course, if you have second thoughts about a
>>>poem:-)
>>
>>This may or may not be the case.
>>Internet sites don't last for ever as rule
>>many disappear after a year or two
>>some because the editors re-use the pages
>>some because they change their ISP or don't renew their domain
>>registration.
>>
>>
>>Publishing in little magazines usually means a small readership and
>>>generally a once-only reading. And, realistically, not everyone reads
>>>right through even the little magazines they subscribe to. Also a longer
>>>poem is more likely to be published on the internet (where much less risk
>>>is involved for the editor). I guess that does not mean that it will
>>>always be read right through :-)
>>>
>>>Little magazines seem more geographically grounded. They seem often to
>>>reflect the work of a group of poets who do know one another face to
>>>face - or who come to do so.
>>
>>The reason many magazines are geographically grounded as you put it
>>is often linked to the ways things are funded.
>>
>>If you are publishing local writers you can get local or regional funding
>>because you are "doing something to promote the locality"
>>
>>I was told many years ago when I first starting editing a magazine
>>that if I restricted my contributors mainly to the local region, I could
>>have funding
>>but by not doing so I wasn't a "local" publisher
>>and I couldn't possibly be a national [let alone international] publisher
>>since I wasn't based in London!
>>
>>
>>Sometimes it can be quite a clicky even exclusive
>>>thing - which has its good points as well as bad. (This can be true of
>>>internet publications, too, I know.) But I've got to know the work of
>>>quite of few of my fellow 'emerging Australian poets' though the small
>>>magazines that are published here. I don't have the money to subscribe to
>>>all of them at once - but do try to rotate subscriptions or at least read
>>>issues through libraries or complimentary copies. Of course, I can also
>>>(eventually) hear the work of many of these people at readings. Listening
>>>to someone's work can make you want to read more and visa versa. So the
>>>little magazine functions to make a local poetry community more cohesive.
>>>The points of contact with people who also publish with the same internet
>>>magazines are limited. (Except if you share a mailing list. Even then, my
>>>limited experience suggests that apparently quite intense friendships
>>>will
>>>not persist without the mailing list.)
>>
>>
>>I'd have to refute that last statement -- I've met a number of people via
>>mailing lists and have maintained good links and friendships with them
>>outside of the mailing list which originally introduced us.
>>
>>>Then again, this face-to-face community can seem limited at times. The
>>>difficulty of 'success' when it's hard to get into print and particularly
>>>to get a book published makes for cross currents of rivalry, even
>>>jealousy. Sometimes even friendly support can be a bit stifling! I want
>>>to
>>>get out and read different kinds of things. I want to try a different
>>>audience. And - I have to admit - I want to get some damn poems out
>>>there!
>>>Then the internet is great!
>>>
>>>I have subscribed to American and British little magazines, but only when
>>>strongly recommended by friends or because of special interest reasons.
>>>(I
>>>see you are interested in haiku. I am too, and have subscribed to
>>>FROGPOND, MODERN HAIKU etc.) But I am far, far less likely to subscribe
>>>to a small overseas magazine. These days with THE HERON'S NEST, SIMPLY
>>>HAIKU etc I find I am no longer much interested in the little haiku mags.
>>
>>
>>Do try some of the Australian/NZ haiku magazines!
>>
>>>What do others think?
>>>
>>>best, Sue
>>
>>yours
>>
>>Gerald England
>>New Hope International, Haiku Talk
>>reviews, poetry. travel photography and more
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>>
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