Well, one's irritation was apparently somewhat justified. Time to change
listserv host? I'm not keen on Big Bro, academic, hackademic or
epidemic, sniffing around checking out the shit on my shoes. Would you
mind telling us what this "warning shot" was about, Randolph?
Best
Martin
wild honey press wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> fair enough. I'm with you on the thought that excluding any group from
> one's humour is hardly inclusive. And Martin's right, the thought of
> monitoring is a bit disquieting. There was a warning shot across our
> bows a while ago and it's left me a little jumpy. Sorry for the attack
> of nervous nelly.
>
> best
>
> Randolph
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bircumshaw"
> <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [POETRYETC] Thought for the day
>
>
>> Hi Randolph
>>
>> I didn't realise that my off-hand casual remark was going to stir
>> things so
>> much. I live, I exist in, a truly multi-cultural society, to
>> accomadate each
>> we accept the piss-take, I rib Moslem friends of mine something
>> rotten, and
>> they go along with it, and get me back too. What we all agree on,
>> whether
>> Sikh, Hindu, Jain, Moslem, Christian or atheist or agnostic is what a
>> load
>> of crap Leicester City Football Club are at the moment, we can spend
>> hours
>> mulling over a pint about this serious subject - it's got that bad we
>> even
>> let the women talk (joke)
>>
>> I'm a Christian. The Bible is full of bollocks. C'est la vie.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "wild honey press" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 4:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>>
>>
>>> Dear David,
>>>
>>> I'd prefer if you didn't call what some regard as sacred texts as a
>>> load
>>
>> of
>>
>>> bollocks.
>>>
>>> best
>>>
>>> Randolph
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [POETRYETC] Thought for the day
>>>
>>>
>>> > Dear Granpa
>>> >
>>> > now i dont listen to that thing daily, i just catch it now and again,
>>
>> BUT
>>
>>> > you are wrong - they have had at least one atheist talking, i know
>>
>> because
>>
>>> > i
>>> > heard that one, point two, the emphasis in recent times has not been
>>> > churchy, the star turns are a Sikh and a Jew, it does matter, in our
>>> > society, that bridges are offered, i'm thinking this time about the
>>> > terrible
>>> > inter-racial violence that has beset Brum, that between
>>
>> Anglo-Caribeaeans
>>
>>> > ( can't spell that right this time of night) and Asians.
>>> >
>>> > These matters are scary, I had to occasion the other day to actually
>>
>> read
>>
>>> > the Qu'ran - in translation - it reminded me nothing so much as
>>> the > Book
>>> > of
>>> > Mormon - i.e. a load of bollocks - but unfortunately a load of b.
>>> that
>>> > justifies, exhorts in fact, violence. I thought parts of the Bible
>>> were
>>> > nuts
>>> > but this is in a class by its own.
>>> >
>>> > Best
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Patrick McManus" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:43 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Dave-Bertrand Russell as an atheist would not be invited -that is
>>> the
>>> >> problem
>>> >> For twenty tears or so other voices- than smoothy churchfolk (one
>>
>> always
>>
>>> > if
>>> >> caught before turning it off wonders- how they will get god into it)
>>> >> other
>>> >> voices have been trying to get heard-but it has some how been sewn
>>> >> up-shame(like bishops being allowed as of right in the House of
>>> Lords?
>>> >> P atheist P
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to
>>> poetry and
>>> >> poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David >>
>>> Bircumshaw
>>> >> Sent: 05 November 2005 19:56
>>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> >> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>>> >>
>>> >> Roger, I doubt whether an advent of humanists or atheists would make
>>
>> any
>>
>>> >> difference to the platitude output of TFTD. As I see it, in its
>>> >> half-baked
>>> >> way, it is doing a service in admiting the voices of other
>>> traditions
>>> > (Sikh,
>>> >> Moslem, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist) in an anodyne way to the
>>> actuality of
>>> >> Britain. what is noticeably absent is the 'God-squad' - the
>>> right-wing
>>> >> fundamentalist evangelical Christians - they don't get air-time.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, its a fuzz, so are the services on long wave too, but I would
>>
>> rather
>>
>>> >> that fuzz than other things. The way I read it is that it is a
>>> sprout
>>> >> from
>>> >> the liberal-humanist tradition (which is what is responsible, to an
>>> > extent,
>>> >> for what elements of being civilised this country has) - Bertrand
>>> >> Russell,
>>> >> if he were still alive, would not be out of place on it.
>>> >>
>>> >> All the Best
>>> >>
>>> >> Dave
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Roger Day" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:27 AM
>>> >> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I think Patrick got it about right. The fact that the people on TFTD
>>> >> sound so reasonable and cosy and warmsy marmite doesn't lessen their
>>> >> status, or their fundamentalism. The fact that they're not
>>> (currently)
>>> >> caling for anyone's head to be chopped doesn't essen their
>>> potential,
>>> >> or the anomaly of this secular nation being treated to their
>>> >> half-baked ideas and platitudes on a daily basis. A better leavening
>>> >> of atheists and humanists wouldn't go amiss. Also, the anomaly of
>>> the
>>> >> daily service on R4 long wave - that should have been dunked years
>>> >> ago. The BBC sometimes feels as if the 1940s never ended. Orwell
>>> would
>>> >> be quite at home, I think.
>>> >>
>>> >> The religious in the UK have their own radio and TV stations these
>>
>> days.
>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Roger
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/5/05, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> >> > Well there was a certain irony in my choice of post title,
>>> Patrick. >> > I
>>> >> think
>>> >> > you might give a rather wrong impression of the beeb thing to
>>> our US
>>> >> > cousins - it's not, is it, by any means God-spouting
>>> fundamentalism,
>>> > it's
>>> >> > rather soft and soggy and very very multi-cultural : Sikhs,
>>> Muslims,
>>> > Jews,
>>> >> > Hindus as well as Christians do the speak. I think they had an
>>
>> atheist
>>
>>> >> once
>>> >> > as well. It is, generally speaking, quite harmless, and
>>> forgetable,
>>> > apart
>>> >> > from some of Rabbi Lionel Blum's jokes (at times!)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Poets get a look in on R4 early too - there was Mr Horowitz
>>
>> inimitably
>>
>>> >> > singing his ideas of how Blake should be a little while back. The
>>> >> presenters
>>> >> > have been known to quote Milton from memory (on Today I'm talking
>>
>> about
>>
>>> >> > now) - imagine that across the waters.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Best
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dave
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> > From: "Patrick McManus" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:37 AM
>>> >> > Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > 'Thought for the day' on our radio is religious propaganda/
>>> >> > > brainwashing-/toshing posing as serious ideas-the BBC is
>>> breaking
>>
>> its
>>
>>> >> > > charter on balance here -why not instead of religious
>>> pundits >> > > have
>>> > some
>>> >> > > real thinkers (now not allowed)or god help us!!!bring on the
>>> lions
>>
>> or
>>
>>> >> even
>>> >> > > some poets spouting off-protest now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> >> > > P atheist P
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> http://www.badstep.net/
>>> >> http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/
>>> >
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