----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Day" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Geoffrey Hill: The Orchards of Syon
Well, we've gotten back to Paley's arguments. I guess we're going to
be treated to the spectacle of rewinding the whole debate. My
grandparents believed wholeheartedly in the bible as literal fact.
They would have been creationists if the phrase had been invented.
The US christian right thing is particularly scary because blair seems
intent on importing elements of it into this country. There are
already creationists teaching in schools in the north using debating
tactics similar to that of "intelligent" design.
Roger
Yeah, there are indeed. Those of us up here in the north who are in the
habit of thinking a bit find it disturbing.
joanna
On 10/25/05, Douglas Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I forgot to mention the keyword Intelligent Design which anyone with an
> elementary knowledge of biology knows is ridiculous.
>
> Douglas Clark, Bath, Somerset, England ....
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Douglas Clark" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Geoffrey Hill: The Orchards of Syon
>
>
> >I have a bad feeling about Warwick at the moment, although my niece
> >graduated there, cos Steve Fuller, the Sociology prof is giving evidence
> >in
> >support of Behe at the Kansas evolution trial. These people who oppose
> >the
> >Enlightenment are very much concentrated in Sociology departments where
> >they argue that Science is just another discourse.
> >
> > Douglas Clark, Bath, Somerset, England ....
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dominic Fox" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: Geoffrey Hill: The Orchards of Syon
> >
> >
> > I saw Hill at Warwick University, where lots of other academic types
> > had also come to see him (there was some conference on, which I wasn't
> > part of). So I went and I stood on my own, and I left on my own, and
> > shortly after that I gave up my PhD on Hill altogether. I think the
> > clincher was standing in line to have my copy of Speech! Speech!
> > signed, and the chap in front of me saying to Hill that he was writing
> > a thesis on him, and could he please inscribe the book with something
> > encouraging like "don't give up! love, G.H.". Poor fellow, I wish him
> > no ill will, but a sort of terrible self-disgust welled up in me at
> > that moment. I did not confide my own aspirations to the great man: I
> > told him that I had liked the book very much, thanked him for signing
> > it, and left it at that.
> >
> > Hill himself was quite unlike the burly, black-cloaked figure
> > declaiming through clenched teeth that one might have been expecting
> > (although he is quite big). There was a touch of the music hall
> > performer about him, in fact; he made a great show of drinking a glass
> > of water. Quite a musical voice - he was *performing* the work, and
> > its voices - so by turns discursive, lecturing, declamatory,
> > soliloquising and so on. He got quite a few laughs, especially out of
> > the material from Speech! Speech! People do rather miss the comedy in
> > Hill (I miss it myself, in much of The Orchards of Syon, although it
> > has its moments). There was also, this being a room full of academics,
> > a fair amount of scribbling in notebooks as he brought the new stuff
> > out. Not my idea of how you listen to poetry, but then I was cribbing
> > from him on a deeper level. Or at least that was what I wanted to tell
> > myself.
> >
> > Dominic
> >
> > On 10/25/05, Joanna Boulter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> You've seen him read? Wow!
> >>
> >> What's he like as a reader? I mean, rhetorical, soliloquising, or a
> >> twist
> >> between incantatory and vicious -- I could imagine any of those styles
> >> fitting with the work.
> >>
> >> joanna
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Dominic Fox" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:00 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Geoffrey Hill: The Orchards of Syon
> >>
> >>
> >> I saw Hill read some of the Orchards of Syon poems before they were
> >> published. They came across well in that context. I must admit though
> >> that the sequence doesn't really grab me - all those flame-pelts of
> >> denuded hawthorn, self-perjuring / arbiters of contrition | revamping
> >> their perdurance...
> >>
> >> Dominic
> >>
> >
> >
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