Judy, with all caring respect, if you read closely, as I have, Marcus'
totally unfounded accusation of Rachel as a participant in a self-rewarding
scam, I find its defamation of Rachel to be clear and self-evident. I don't
know how his accusation can be read otherwise.
Alison and Randolph have given Marcus, if possible, the opportunity to
apologize for this abuse and move on as a rule abiding member of this group,
or, take immediate leave. It seems a fair interpretation of the rules.
Stephen V
Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com
> Alison,
>
> Thanks for your explanation.
>
> I feel that Marcus Bales owes no one an apology, and I see no logic in your
> saying that he does---nor in any of the other points you are making which
> seem un-evidenced in your message as given below.
>
> Further, back-channeling to prevent boredom sounds like a List rule that
> might have been profitably instituted 30 or so "foetry . . ." emailed
> messages previous to Marcus' most recent one.
>
> More to the point, your saying that backchanneling objections might prevent
> boredom does not sound genuine, it sounds to me like a tactic to evade
> objections before the entire poetryetc membership.
>
> Feel free to explain yourself further, if you wish. Believe it or not, I am
> open to your thoughts, but I need more of them and I need to hear them put
> more concretely.
>
> If we poets cannot expect and get clear, concrete, well grounded in
> evidence, explanations from the List managers in regard to eliminating a
> member from the List, then which absolute monarchy is it that we now sit
> under, Alison? I thought we'd done with all of that hiding and ducking and
> dodging stuff back in . . . oh, I forgot . . . it's never over, is it?
>
> Judy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alison Croggon" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:11 PM
> Subject: Re: List
>
>
>> Judy, of course you can object (though to prevent other list members being
>> bored to tears, it's preferable if long objections are sent b/c). But the
>> list rules, which you receive on joining poetryetc, are very clear, and in
>> both my and Randolph's estimation (and in the judgement of more than a few
>> other list members) Marcus' behaviour is offensive. We expect a basic
>> courtesy to other members from members of this list in even the most
>> passionate disagreements and as far as we're concerned Marcus has stepped
>> way over the line.
>>
>> If he is not prepared to apologise, we will suspend his memebrship with no
>> further argument.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>> On 6/8/05 8:35 AM, "judy prince" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Alison,
>>>
>>> If I object to your eliminating Marcus Bales from this List, will you
>>> also
>>> eliminate me from it? If so, I will be damned sad, but I will go,
>>> because I
>>> strenuously object to what you propose for Marcus.
>>>
>>> Judy
>>
>>
>>
>> Alison Croggon
>>
>> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com
>> Editor, Masthead: http://masthead.net.au
>> Home page: http://alisoncroggon.com
>>
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