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From: "Janet Jackson" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: Guidelines for editors (Snaps, personal sites, forums)
> Good discussion, this. It has helped me think more clearly about
> the issues.
>
> Douglas Barbour says
>> I got to thinking about our own 'snaps.' I would think that if one
>> really liked one of them, s/he could publish it elsewhere, but maybe
>> not. I'm not sure. I would certainly say that such a poem can go on to
>> the anthology, or chapbook or book stage. But, really, they haven't got
>> too much of a 'public' reach.
>
> I don't consider them 'published', partly because of that, and partly
> because it seems to me that they are off-the-cuff exercises,
> works in progress, and not necessarily ready for publication.
> So, reading my snaps is like reading my notebook.
> If one day I'm a famous dead poet (as if!), they'll probably be of
> interest to the public, but not now.
Since the snaps have been published online
then my take is that have been published.
I've certainly submitted some of mine to print publications
but I wouldn't submit them to other online journals/ezines
I divide my poems [in my filing system] into
unpublished
electronically published [i.e. online or on-disc -- pre-internet there were
some magazines distributed on floppy discs!]
magazine publications [including anthologies]
collected [published in booklets containing only, or mostly, my own work]
For me, I still rate printed publication more highly than electronic.
> Improved versions of some of my snaps have been published (definitively
> published, I mean!) in print and online.
>
> What about forums? Sometimes I post poems on forums. Not poetry forums -
> other forums whose denizens may enjoy a poem. Some of these forums are
> readable by anyone, but they're not likely to be read by the general
> (book-buying, net-trawling, poem-reading) public.
> I see this as like a private reading, or like giving a copy to a
> few friends - ie, not publication.
It can be a gray area, but posting to a forum is indeed the equivalent of
photocopying and distributing to friends
but then there are publications that consist of collated photocopies of
contributions
so it could be argued that poems archived on a forum are also published.
> As for personal sites and blogs.
> If someone reviews your site in a [print or online] journal, then
> I'd say your site counts as self-publication. And if you actively
> promote it in a public space, rather than just telling acquaintances
> about it, then I reckon you're self-publishing. But it's a grey area.
> Opinions differ. My own policy is to check with
> editors before sending stuff that's on my personal site.
If there are outside links into a personal website it will be found by
google and others and is therefore a publication. My take is that I would
normally only include previously published [and suitably credited of course]
poems on a personal site.
> Edited online journals (whether or not with ISSNs) and curated
> online anthologies (like Anny's on Fieralingue) are
> surely publication. If there is an editor or curator,
> who has a choice whether to put the poem on the site.
>
> As to whether there is any prestige in it? well, that really
> is a matter of opinion, one person's trash being another's treasure.
>
> Janet
Absolutely
yours
Gerald England
New Hope International, Haiku Talk
reviews, poetry. travel photography and more
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