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Re: Hölderlin/reply to Martin

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MJ Walker <[log in to unmask]>

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Hi, Rebecca - what a response! Your mail does indeed give food for 
thought. You obviously know much more than me on the subject of 
Hölderlin's life & poetry, and I learned a lot from it, as others did. I 
would agree with practically everything you say: Hölderlin, I'm sure, 
did not himself believe in a material restitution of any kind for those 
restless souls in Orcus - which I think of as pre- or unconscious 
representations of the dead in us clamouring for, well, representation 
in its manifold senses, for a justice that only language can enact (we 
say, do we not, that certain words "do justice" to a theme) - and though 
Mark denies this, his praxis as a poet belies his scepticism, I believe, 
even though what anyone can achieve is what Beckett calls to "fail 
better" - Ah, but a man's grasp should exceed his reach, or what's a 
heaven for? (I should quote this, as an amateur poetaster at best!) 
Sebald does, I think, to do him justice, imply  that the foreknowledge 
Hölderlin may have had applied firstly to himself, as you point out, and 
then by extension to the wider society around him. One is treading a 
heavily mined field of poetic & philosophical *entrelacements* here, of 
course, and anything I say is tentative in the extreme. Interesting to 
read the Hamburger translations - I started out a long time ago reading 
H in the Penguin edition with Hamburger's prose versions, but over the 
years, when I have returned, it has been to the German. Amazing how he 
gets both the sense and the rhythmic-metrical gestalt - it takes 
profound knowledge of prosody to do that. A slight feeling of discomfort 
arises at times, when a sort of higher poetic Wardour St diction, as in 
Spender & Leishman's Rilke, though much less so (what a terrible poet 
Spender was!) can begin to infect the odd line (fusty fustian, 
perhaps...) Hölderlin is more achingly musical, there is a rich mordancy 
mingled with unbearable sweetness, intense thoughtfulness & the 
dialectical tension between surrender & revolt- ach, Hamburger of course 
knew it too well. I do find, by the way, in those faux-naif later rhymed 
quatrains, something of that "peaceful silence" that has been mooted, as 
in the beautiful fragment you quote. *Brod und Wein* is to me the 
greatest lyric poem ever written (since I cannot read Greek), full of 
sibylline simplicity, unparaphraseable:
So ist der Mensch; wenn da ist das Gut, und es sorget mit Gaben
    Selber ein Gott für ihn, kennet und sieht er es nicht.
Tragen muß er, zuvor; nun aber nennt er sein Liebstes,
    Nun, nun müssen dafür Worte, wie Blumen, entstehn. 
Perhaps you can supply the Hamburger translation of that. It is 
especially relevant to poets.
But my personal favourite is a syntactically ravelled fragment on the 
Virgin from the Bad Homburg manuscript, one that resonates with the 
purple flowers that Ted Hughes glosses in his Shakespeare book as rooted 
deep in the legend of Venus & Adonis & the Boar, and contains a prayer 
for our times, that we all, Christian or other (and you gotta serve 
somebody) may repeat with most inward entreaty, thinking of those 
"villeins" everywhere:
Vor allem, daß man schone                            Above all, that one 
protect
Der Wildniß göttlichgebaut                             The wilderness 
divinely built
Im reinen Geseze, woher                                In the pure law, 
wherefrom
Es haben die Kinder                                       They have, 
children of the
Des Gotts, lustwandelnd unter                         God, joy-walking among
Den Felsen und Haiden purpurn blühn              The rocks and meadows 
blossom purple
 Und dunkle Quellen                                           And dark 
springs
Dir, o Madonna und                                         To you, oh 
Madonna and
Dem Sohne, aber den anderen auch                  The son, but to the 
others also
Damit nicht, als von Knechten,                          That they may 
not, as from villeins,
Mit Gewalt das ihre nehmen                              Take their own 
by force
Die Götter.                                                       - The 
Gods.

Happy New Year to all
Martin

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