You're only hoping it's the darkest day of the year, Steve--solstice or no,
there's ten more to go. But who am I to cavil at youthful optimism?
Mark
At 12:48 PM 12/21/2005, you wrote:
>Curious to me how the Bush Admininistration portrays "torture" as a national
>benefit, the way itprotects 'us', 'our way of life', etc."
>Isn't it, I think, similar to the way Slavery prior the Civil War was also
>portrayed and supported also as a national benefit.
>
>Doug, all reports outside the Bush Way, indicate that Iraq is already deeply
>into a civil war, and the elections have cemented this war as a way of life
>(sadly). Bush folks - in total defiance of reality - will keep spouting
>"democracy" so they can out of there before total collapse. They will have
>to deal for the oil through other venues than a collapsing democratic
>charade.
>
>Talk about "unintended consequences" - the same folks brought us Enron & Co.
>as a model for fiction mongering.
>
>Oh, well, a happy Solstice to all!
>
>Stephen V
>
>
> > Yes, exactly, that news has been around, as you say.
> >
> > The changes in government in South America these days are interesting,
> > if only because it seems the US government (& CIA) don't seem to feel
> > they can just go in & take these new leftist leaders out the way they
> > did in Chile back in the day....
> >
> > too busy bringing democracy to the Middle East...? (not that an
> > unimposed & perhaps real (vaid?) democracy there wouldn't be a good
> > thing....).
> >
> > Doug
> > On 20-Dec-05, at 11:13 AM, Roger Day wrote:
> >
> >> For a long time, certainly before 9/11 and way back even to the 80s
> >> I've read articles involving torture and the School Of The Americas
> >> in Fort Benning, Georgia, where apparently the CIA train officers and
> >> NCOs from Latin American countries.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >> On 12/20/05, Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>> I am listening to CBC's The Current as I write, to a USAmerican
> >>> psychologist, Alfred McCoy, author of A Question of Torture, on the
> >>> US's use of torture, and how what is happening now is leading to the
> >>> normalization of torture by the US. He's especially appalled by the
> >>> way
> >>> the US representatives to the international community continue to
> >>> 'lie'
> >>> (basically his term) saying that the US does not torture, when in fact
> >>> he asserts it has done so for decades, & much more so now.
> >>>
> >>> Not the merriest of news in this week....
> >>>
> >>> Doug
> >>>
> >>> Douglas Barbour
> >>> 11655 - 72 Avenue NW
> >>> Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9
> >>> (780) 436 3320
> >>>
> >>> the precision of openness
> >>> is not a vagueness
> >>> it is an accumulation
> >>> cumulous
> >>>
> >>> bpNichol
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/
> >>
> >>
> > Douglas Barbour
> > 11655 - 72 Avenue NW
> > Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9
> > (780) 436 3320
> >
> > the precision of openness
> > is not a vagueness
> > it is an accumulation
> > cumulous
> >
> > bpNichol
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