It being Yiddish, not german, the spelling should be "shtick."

Campbell was a great admirerer of Hitler before the war and remained
throughout his life an active antisemite, going so far as to fail Jewish
students. Howard Zinn, who was a colleague, documented this in the New York
Review of Books shortly after Campbell's death.

Mark

At 11:40 AM 6/22/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>The name of this list is "poetryetc" - I guess the etc can cover an
>awful lot of territory. I, personally, don't find Joseph Campbell that
>appealing but what's wrong with self-help? This is a query with
>genuine interest. At the same, I'm trying to picture a self-help
>-stick-.
>
>Anyway, I'm applying to APU, Aberystwth, Holloway and UEA for my MA.
>Does anyone have any solid background info/rumour/gossip/salaciousness
>about these august institutions they are willing to impart to me
>backchannel? Any titbit gratefully accepted, anonymity guaranteed.
>
>For the interested, In my pocketses I have a ing, precciouss...
>
>Roger
>
>On 6/22/05, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > Can we please drop the self-help stick? This is a poetry list, and besides
> > it's offensive.
> >
> > And for god's sake, "petcies?"
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > At 12:18 AM 6/22/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> > >To Glen Phillips
> > > From Judy Prince
> > >
> > >Glen,
> > >
> > >You probably wrote the Hitler quote to warn us that following one's "feel
> > >good" instinct may lead to a holocaust of unbelievable tragedy. You lead
> > >us to a vital point about "doing one's thing" with little knowledge (esp
> > >in the young who lack experience, lengthy friendships and many facts) that
> > >can easily result in chaos and a truncated life. Any teacher or parent
> > >can tell you that "feel good" behaviors build monsters in the young as
> > >well as those grown old but not self-knowing.
> > >
> > >I'd love to know how you and other petcies reconcile the Hitler quote and
> > >those I've posted with ones they might think of regarding how to make
> > >important changes in our lives. I don't know anyone who hasn't
> > >grappled---sometimes for years--with life-altering decisions. The more
> > >input we get, the better able, I think, we'll be to step forward to help
> > >ourselves. So, Glenn, what do YOU think?
> > >
> > >Judy
> > >
> > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Phillips" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:24 PM
> > >Subject: Re: TO MY DEAR PETCIES: an explanation
> > >
> > >
> > >>On 22/6/05 9:15 AM, "judy prince" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >>Wasn't it Hitler who said,'if it feels good do it'?
> > >>Glen
> > >>>To Roger Day from Judy Prince
> > >>>
> > >>>Roger,
> > >>>
> > >>>Following are some quotes you may find friendly:
> > >>>
> > >>>**************************************
> > >>>"Follow your bliss" (Joseph Campbell, I think)
> > >>>
> > >>>"Go with your gut instinct; it will never steer you wrong" (a good
> friend)
> > >>>
> > >>>"Ever notice that 'What the hell!' is always the right decision?"
> (Marilyn
> > >>>Monroe)
> > >>>
> > >>>*************************************
> > >>>
> > >>>Consider this, Roger: What do you feel that you might lose if you
> do the
> > >>>MA? Are they things that are like cut toenails---happily and
> unconsciously
> > >>>dropped in the wastebasket because still attached they'd cause you
> no end of
> > >>>sharp pain and the eventual near-inability to move forward?
> > >>>
> > >>>Incidentally, I've an altogether revised life, having uprooted after 34
> > >>>years in Chicago. I moved here to Norfolk where I had neither
> family nor
> > >>>friends. No one, during my search for where to live, felt that I
> was making
> > >>>the right choice---to leave Chicago, let alone to go to a place that I
> > >>>barely knew! Because I had no way of knowing if they were right, and
> > >>>because I knew their concerns for my well being, I suffered greatly
> in what
> > >>>seemed endless tail-chasing to decide my own future.
> > >>>
> > >>>I've now been in Norfolk for nearly four years and think of it as my
> > >>>paradise. Few folks "back home" and even here understand my joy at
> being
> > >>>here. But, then, Roger, those folks must struggle and find their
> own paths
> > >>>and places, mustn't they? The struggle provides a rare opening for
> > >>>self-understanding. I don't see any loss in that whatsoever.
> > >>>
> > >>>Blessings on you as you move through your pathfinding, aided, always
> by the
> > >>>peace of trust-filled prayers,
> > >>>
> > >>>Judy
> > >>>from her paradise
> > >>>
> > >>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>From: "roger day" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:55 AM
> > >>>Subject: Re: TO MY DEAR PETCIES: an explanation
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>I see now that *part* of my motivation in applying for an MA course is
> > >>>in some part trying to get this magic. There are other reasons of
> > >>>course, some of which are real-world. Another is the fact that I've
> > >>>always wanted to take an English qualification ever since I was
> > >>>knee-high to a grasshopper. It maybe that I want to be in academia
> > >>>(I'll have to think on that).
> > >>>
> > >>>One course of action open to me is get out of my current job, sit
> > >>>there and write.
> > >>>
> > >>>Any poetecteras views on this quandry? Whether or not is nobler in the
> > >>>mind to take an MA or would rather fardles bear and stare at windows
> > >>>all the day, keyboard before me?
> > >>>
> > >>>Roger
> > >>>
> > >>>On 6/21/05, Ken Wolman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >>>>roger day wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>Hi,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Your play was useful in that it allowed me to expose a little of my
> > >>>>>history to the list, so I tips me hat to you, whoever you are!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Glad to be of service! I hope my bit-part fitted well in your theatre
> > >>>>></bows to rapturous applause>.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>I've thought of taking a Poetry for Dummies course because I've
> > >>>>>sometime felt that I've been missing something, something that when I
> > >>>>>write goes astray. Of course, books and courses are never the answer.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>And now Dr. Ken's Konfession. For years I believed such a thing
> > >>>>existed. Poetry for Dummies. If they can publish books like "Sex For
> > >>>>Dummies" ("Oh, THAT's what that's for! Hot damn!") and "Monte Carlo
> > >>>>Simulations for Dummies" (not, I assume, how to win at Vingt et
> Un), why
> > >>>>not "Poesie for Dummies" as well?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Years ago, feeling that I was cheated of feature by dissembling Nature,
> > >>>>having no idea what a poem was, how to write one (even though I
> had), or
> > >>>>how to judge one without some Professor saying it was good, I tried to
> > >>>>find the magic book that had all the answers. The book I chose? <sit
> > >>>>down> William Empson's _Seven Types of Ambiguity_. No joke. No help.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Oh, another plagiarism tale. True story. 1973, I'm a teaching
> > >>>>assistant. Three profs and me, the Shakespeare lecture course. I
> > >>>>thought I'd died and gone to Heaven. Then some kid in my personal
> > >>>>section hands me a paper, I forget on what, but as I'm reading it I'm
> > >>>>thinking "This kid writes fantastically, he can think on paper. Oh
> > >>>>God--wait a minute." I focus on the kid. The kid is nice, not a
> doofus
> > >>>>but not THAT bright. All of a sudden the writing sounds
> familiar. I am
> > >>>>the guy writing a dissertation on audience/reader response in
> > >>>>Shakespeare, and before I dropped him on his Scottish crown,
> Macbeth was
> > >>>>in there. So I knew the classic critical writings: A. C. Bradley, c.
> > >>>>1904. I look at Bradley. I look back at the kid. It's the same
> > >>>>words. Bradley didn't plagiarize the kid, I guess. I forget how,
> but I
> > >>>>got a message to the kid to come to the office I was using. He did not
> > >>>>seem like a jive-artist, just a jerk. He walks in totally unfraid and
> > >>>>totally clueless. I confronted him with his unattributed quotes and
> > >>>>Bradley's text. I thought the kid was going to cry, then
> faint. He had
> > >>>>no idea that what he was doing was not kosher. NOBODY had ever taught
> > >>>>this kid about plagiarism. He literally did not know he'd done it. It
> > >>>>was easier for the teachers along the way to ignore the whole greasy
> > >>>>issue until it got to the desk of a 31-year-old teaching assistant. I
> > >>>>told him to get back to work, he had something like two days to correct
> > >>>>the mess he'd made. The paper turned out to be not too hot but it was
> > >>>>at least HIS not too hot.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Ken
> >
>
>
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