In Denmark itīs any womanīs right to give midwife-assisted birth at home.
She cannot be refused, irrespective of whether she has refused the routine
datings or not. Midwives/doctors will probably try to persuade/recommend her
to go to the hospital - and may also "label" her a high-risk. But the woman
has the law on her side.
The recent 20 years I think, the home-birth rate in DK has been 1-2 %.
bw
Else Broberg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane sandall" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: The price women pay who refuse routine scans?
> Dear listmembers
> Has anyone come across the following practice?
> If a woman refuses a routine dating or anomaly scan, she is labelled high
> risk and 'not allowed' to have a home birth or give birth in a midwife led
> unit birth. I am wondering how common this practice is, and whether there
is
> any evidence to justify it?
>
> bw
> Jane Sandall
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> > 9. Re: male midwife at homebirth
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> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:59:07 +0000
> > From: Cerys Byrne <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: human milk donors
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> > That makes sense.
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> > Cerys
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> > Nico Nelson wrote:
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> >> I suppose the reason is that the milk is desperately needed for little
> >> babies and especially premmies so while the bm from mothers of 6 month
+
> >> babies is still useful it is not useful for those that need the bm the
> >> most.
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> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 05:35:11 EST
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> > Subject: Re: Nurses sell services back to NHS
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> > If they can do it then so can the IMA and OMOM! How did they achieve
> > this?
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> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:55:39 +0000
> > From: Deborah <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Re: Prolonged second stage
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> > Dear Georgina,
> > My recollection of Jean's personal experience is that she states she
> > has a platypelloid pelvis, first stage labour for days, then her baby
> > got himself into the pelvis and came out........ relatively easily I
> > think. Others may have clearer recollection.
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> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:01:21 +0000
> > From: Deborah <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Nurses sell services back to NHS
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> > Dear Midwives of Great Britain,
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> > Shall we put a proposal together with the One-to-one campaign, get a
> > business proposal organised, get on the RCOG, Health Government offices
> > in London, everywhere, and start laying out proposals for protocols and
> > guidelines based on evidence, instinct, and intuition to work with
> > women and consumer groups to take over the maternity services from our
> > patriarchal masters????? Yeah-Ha! And set up selling our services,
> > audited etc, back to the health service. Community based, of course.
> >
> > Debs Purdue Ind MW
> > On 18 Nov 2005, at 07:22, eleanor wrote:
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> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4448008.stm
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> > Shall we put a proposal together with the One-to-one campaign, get a
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> > Thinking along similar lines myself, it's a great idea and extremely
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> > guidelines based on evidence, instinct, and intuition to work with
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> > Debs Purdue Ind MW
> > On 18 Nov 2005, at 07:22, eleanor wrote:
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> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:40:08 -0000
> > From: "Claire Kennard" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Nurses sell services back to NHS
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> > --- In [log in to unmask], Deborah <deblybug@m...> wrote:
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> >> Dear Midwives of Great Britain,
> >>
> >> Shall we put a proposal together with the One-to-one campaign, get a
> >> business proposal organised, get on the RCOG, Health Government
> > offices
> >> in London, everywhere, and start laying out proposals for protocols
> > and
> >> guidelines based on evidence, instinct, and intuition to work with
> >> women and consumer groups to take over the maternity services from
> > our
> >> patriarchal masters????? Yeah-Ha! And set up selling our services,
> >> audited etc, back to the health service. Community based, of course.
> >>
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> > Hoorah! I'd go for it, in a shot. It makes sense... unlike a lot in
> > the 'real life' world of midwifery...
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> > Claire
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> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:42:56 +0000
> > From: Deborah <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: Nurses sell services back to NHS
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> > Dear All,
> > I must say, I would love to develop this but how on earth one would do
> > it I don't know. I know Laura, who has a young baby and older kids, is
> > doing a great thing with the One2one campaign. The time is not right
> > for me to start the revolution yet - still have it in my mind though!
> > One day.........
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> > Debs Purdue
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> > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:48:12 -0000
> > From: "Claire Kennard" <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: male midwife at homebirth
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> > --- In [log in to unmask], Beth-Midwifery <beth-
> > midwifery@c...> wrote:
> >>
> >> I feel I have to put in my 2p worth. I resent being told that i
> >> cannot possibly be a good midwife because I have not given birth to
> > a
> >> child. I would consider it a failing of my training and of my
> >> compassion (or what ever you want to call it) if some one felt that
> >> of me. Yes every woman should have a choice of who looks after her
> >> and I would never deny anyone that but to make sweeping statements
> >> like that helps nobody. I am not getting at people who have other
> >> views to mine but would hope after meeting me that they would feel
> >> differently.
> >
> > That kind of sums up how I feel, Beth- yes, I know everyone is
> > probably fed up with this by now!
> >
> > What I'm getting from some people here is: everyone should be able to
> > choose who they like based on whatever criteria they want. (fine, in
> > principle, but where do you draw the line? Will I be refused because I
> > am 'too young', what about the choices made based on racial or
> > homophobic prejudice? Is that ok?). But I am also hearing 'based on
> > experience, midwives with children were better than those without
> > children, this is not a bias it is just a true experience'. So if this
> > is really the truth, then should I give up now, and come back when
> > I've found someone to inseminate me? Because the logical train of
> > thought there is that I can't help being 'not as good' because I
> > haven't got children. That's not from an 'opinion' point of view but
> > if this is really what women are relating as their experiences,
> > perhaps I oughtn't to be a midwife...?
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