Diana,
Many thanks for your response.
You're last paragraph about bickering, I couldn't agree more. It's one of the major reasons why I haven't renewed my subs this
year
It reflects badly on CILIP's members (the majority of whom make raise excellent points for discussion) and does makes me less
inclined to part with my money
Kind regards
Mike
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From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diana Nutting
Sent: 21 February 2005 09:51
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Subject: Re: Gazette Feb 11th
I continue to be a member because
I can't change it if I'm not in it.
I did feel some faint glimmer last year that these issues were being addressed. I now feel that light has gone out.
CILIP offers me personally very little. My job is peripheral to its main area of interest, and I earn a very decent salary. CILIP
could however be real professional association raising the status of its members. I'm a little sad that it doesn't see that as
it's role.
Incidentally some people aren't exactly helping themselves. Bickering over how long a tea break is (and I agree with Julian, I've
never had one of those), or whether you work a 35 or a 37 hour week (I'd love either of those), just reinforces the low status
view.
Diana
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From: Raynor, Michael J [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 18 February 2005 10:14
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Subject: Re: Gazette Feb 11th
Diana,
I'm genuinely not being facetious but if you feel so strongly about CILIPs response to the issue of low pay, why have you paid
your subs for 2005?
I would genuinely like to know what else you feel CILIP offers outside of this issue that benefits you in your role
Personally if I felt that an organisation's services weren't giving value for money I would discontinue subscribing to it
Regards
Mike Raynor
Information Adviser - Acquisitions
Sheffield Hallam University
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diana Nutting
Sent: 18 February 2005 09:13
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Subject: Re: Gazette Feb 11th
I find it bizarre that Tony seems to think that it's OK to pay librarians badly because some other people are also paid badly.
What this thread is really all about isn't other people's pay scales, but whether what's supposed to be our professional
association is willing to put its head above the parapet and risk upsetting the establishment in order to fight for our
professional status.
And the short answer seems to be no. While Facet and training courses are all very laudable that's not what my subs - and yes I
have paid for 2005 - are for. They are for maintaining the status of this profession. Pay is one aspect of that status; the
situation at Bangor is another. In both cases CILIP is conspicuous by its public silence.
It's all a bit too cosy a clique at Ridgmount Street.
Diana Nutting
Information Liaison Manager
Business Link for London
-----Original Message-----
From: Mcsean, Tony (ELS) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 17 February 2005 17:24
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Subject: Re: Gazette Feb 11th
You're right: seven pounds times thirty five hours times forty-six weeks is just over 11 grand. Wonder if the job's still open?
Presumably your assistants get sick pay, pensions, sick pay, maternity, etc?
Tony McSeán
Director of Library Relations
Elsevier
+44 7795 960516
+44 1865 843630
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From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Shelagh Levett
Sent: 17 February 2005 17:13
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Subject: Re: Gazette Feb 11th
Tony,
Where do you get the £10k from? My library assistants currently start on £6.94 per hour which equates to £13,344 annually.
Admittedly they get paid holiday. But even if they didn't, they would still be on over £12k. By the way, that's based on our
full time week of 37 hours.
Shelagh
-----Original Message-----
From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Mcsean, Tony (ELS)
Sent: 17 February 2005 16:39
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Subject: Re: Gazette Feb 11th
As it happens, I know that the person who supervises the National Gallery security staff on Sundays get seven pounds an hour. Now
that is rubbish money (>£10,000/year with no holiday pay or benefits) and 30 dozing casuals between you and the first item on the
news. A friend of mine who is a security guard and was a bit short of money looked at it a while ago and decided he wasn't that
short.
Tony McSeán
Director of Library Relations
Elsevier
+44 7795 960516
+44 1865 843630
-----Original Message-----
From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Clarke
Sent: 17 February 2005 15:55
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Subject: Gazette Feb 11th
<snip>
How about some press releases? Graduate Librarians expected to live on a quarter of the salary of a toilet cleaner at National
Gallery - - and I get given a brush says toilet cleaner .
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