Apparently, according to one of our staff side AfC people who is also trained as a Unison advocate for AfC, it doesn't matter what profile a job is actually matched to if the banding is correct. (though it won't help if we give jobs daft titles like floorwalkers!)
If you find yourself in this bizarre situation you need to do your own scoring to see if you think post should have a higher banding - this is what gives grounds for appeal not what profile it has been matched to.
Rowena Perry
Library Manager
Health Informatics Shared Services
Healthcare Library
Prospect Park Hospital
Honey End Lane
Reading RG30 4EJ
Tel: 0118 960 5020
Fax: 0118 960 5014
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-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mortimer, Carol
Sent: 04 August 2005 16:26
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Change in job title
The agenda for change panel ignored the national profiles for my library
assistants and matched them against "Clerical Officer(reception) and put
them in Band 2. Their response (so far) has been that they do not have to
look at a published profile if they can find something else which they
consider is similar.
How have other people fared?
Carol Mortimer
Library Manager
Library and Information Service
The Terence Mortimer Postgraduate Education Centre
The Horton Hospital, Oxford Road, BANBURY, Oxon OX16 9AL
Tel: 01295 229316
Fax: 01295 229324
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-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andy Prue
Sent: 04 August 2005 16:25
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Change in job title
John,
I certainly agree that this is a issue that seriously affects the future of
the profession.
Part of the solution must be for the profession to begin promoting its
organisational value to those that hold the purse strings. Without winning
the hearts and minds of those who can, this is going to drag on and on as an
issue. The conclusion to which could very well be terminal!!
Cheers
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of John Gale
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:00 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Change in job title
I'm sorry if I've caused any offence - I've worked alongside some very
capable library assistants and I meant no reflection on the people who might
apply for that job. I expressed myself in a light-hearted way but the fact
remains (in abstract terms of course, not personal ones) how are we as a
profession going to recruit high-calibre people to work in Central London
for £14-17 K ? I know there are all sorts of other factors behind choice of
job/career etc but my ire was directed solely at people who expect
graduate/postgraduate performance/calibre at school-leaver pay levels. Now
that *is* a serious issue.
Quoting "Gray, Geraldine" <[log in to unmask]>:
> Never mind Library Assistants, I'm sure there are many Chartered
Librarians
> in that range too for all sorts of reasons personal, family
> commitments inability to move geographically etc.
>
> I'm sure the poster meant no offence to possible applicants only those
> who set salaries at such low levels and then expect the earth!
>
> Geraldine
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hilton Boon Michele [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 04 August 2005 14:50
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Change in job title
>
>
> I don't know - isn't it inherently offensive to suggest that people
> who
earn
> and are willing to accept £14,094 - £16,087 p.a. likely can't 'string
> a sentence together'? As is the suggestion that salary is an
> indication of ability/intelligence? However, I'm sure the poster didn't
mean to offend.
>
> This discussion is worthwhile if it makes people examine their
> assumptions about the staff they manage. Also, Deborah Shorley
> suggested at Umbrella that our obsession with job titles and salaries
> impedes our progress as a profession and I think this thread illustrates
her point well.
>
> In my experience a lot of library assistants are in that salary range
> and are more than capable of expressing themselves well and going on
> to
greater
> things.
>
> Just my 2p
>
> Michele
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Merriott Sue
> Sent: 04 August 2005 14:38
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Change in job title
>
>
> John wasn't being rude or sarcastic about anyone in particular, so I
> don't think point 4 applies!
>
> There are often strings that are of no interest to me and I find a
> waste
of
> time, so I just delete them.
>
> I have found this string all very amusing, but my personal
> interpretation sees it as a rueful expression of a general irritation
> amongst health librarians, NHS in particular, at some of the changes
> being inflicted upon the profession and services, (not to mention our
> way of life) not always
for
> the better!
>
> Sue
>
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