But there is a world of difference, surely, between an individual's
generosity in sending a textbook which may have some life in it, and a major
publisher putting up outdated texts online - in effect saying +ACI-this is good
enough for you+ACI-. My point was, I would rather work towards getting our
current ebook output on HINARI and concentrate on providing the best rather
than corporate leftovers.
Tony McSean
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
To: LIS-MEDICAL+AEA-JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Sent: 22/07/2005 11:43
Subject: Re: Kumar +-ACY- Clark to be insituti onalised
Well, the health professional isn't a blank canvas, relying entirely on
Kumar +ACY- Clark for direction. Ultimately, it is up to them to use their
clinical judgement, as to whether time has rendered information
redundant, rather as they listen to information from a pharmacist, but
don't have to act on it.
One positive aspect of the e-textbook is that it can render the idea of
the edition redundant, providing the editorial processes are there to
keep it as up-to-date as is humanly possible, (which doesn't come
cheap). The product Up-to-Date comes to mind.
David
Exactly+ADs- +ACY- presumably the information in the 5th edition that has been
changed in the 6th is not now life-threatening? If it is then the
publishers surely have a responsibility to issue warnings to those who
have the 5th edition, explaining exactly what has changed.
Malcolm Dobson
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Glover +AFs-mailto:SGlover+AEA-PICR.man.ac.uk+AF0-
Sent: 22 July 2005 10:22
To: Dobson, Malcolm+ADs- LIS-MEDICAL+AEA-JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: RE: Kumar +ACY- Clark to be insitutionalised
Yes, one would hope that the 2002 edition (5th) contained some usefull
information and we have not just emergered from an age of ingnorance
with the pending release of the 6th
Steve Glover
+AF8AXwBfAF8AXw-
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
+AFs-mailto:LIS-MEDICAL+AEA-JISCMAIL.AC.UK+AF0- On Behalf Of Dobson, Malcolm
Sent: 22 July 2005 10:06
To: LIS-MEDICAL+AEA-JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Kumar +ACY- Clark to be insitutionalised
So that's Steve told off for wanting to unload old rubbish onto
developing countries.
The usefulness of previous editions depends on how extensive and/or
significant the revisions in the new edition are. This is something that
the publishers won't indicate - after all, they are commercial
organisations that want us to buy the latest edition (just as a car
manufacturer wants us to buy the latest model)
Malcolm Dobson
-----Original Message-----
From: Mcsean, Tony (ELS) +AFs- mailto:T.Mcsean+AEA-ELSEVIER.COM
+ADw-mailto:T.Mcsean+AEA-ELSEVIER.COM+AD4- +AF0-
Sent: 22 July 2005 09:04
To: LIS-MEDICAL+AEA-JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Kumar +ACY- Clark to be insitutionalised
No we do not. As the Elsevier person responsible for our HINARI and
AGORA
participation I feel very strongly that we can and shoud do better than
provide superceded, outdated resources to libraries and researchers in
the
developing world. Through HINARI we provide free and unlimited access
to
much of Science Direct to most of the world's 100 poorest countries.
Providing access to ebooks is on the HINARI agenda but the team is
currently
engaged on other priorities, particularly on solutions to the bandwidth
problem.
For all its problems, the strength of the HINARI/AGORA project is that
it is
based on the premise that technology now allows us all to do what we
would
always have liked to do - make the latest and best information services
available where previously there was only ingenuity and
make-do-and-mend.
It's not perfect. In some places the +ACI-last mile+ACI- bandwidth problem is
actually a +ACI-last couple of thousand miles+ACI- problem, but with HINARI
those
seeking to extend broadband across Africa and south Asia have a really
worthwhile benefit they can point to - and in the meantime we can look
to
bandwidth conservation measures to keep things up and running.
Tony
Tony McSe+AOE-n
Director of Library Relations
Elsevier
+-44 7795 960516
+-44 1865 843630
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Glover +AFs- mailto:SGlover+AEA-PICR.man.ac.uk
+ADw-mailto:SGlover+AEA-PICR.man.ac.uk+AD4- +AF0-
Sent: 21 July 2005 13:35
To: Mcsean, Tony +-AFw-(ELS+-AFw-)+ADs- LIS-MEDICAL+AEA-JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: RE: Kumar +ACY- Clark to be insitutionalised
Hello Tony
Do Elsevier have any plans to make the previous Edition available freely
via
Bookshelf on PubMed?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db+AD0-Books
+ADw-http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db+AD0-Books+ACY-itool+AD0-toolbar+AD4-
+ACY-itool+AD0-toolbar
This would be especially helpful for developing countries
Steve Glover
Medical Librarian
Christie Hospital NHS Trust
Manchester UK
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
+AFs- mailto:LIS-MEDICAL+AEA-JISCMAIL.AC.UK +ADw-mailto:LIS-MEDICAL+AEA-JISCMAIL.AC.UK+AD4-
+AF0- On Behalf Of Mcsean, Tony (ELS)
Sent: 21 July 2005 10:56
To: LIS-MEDICAL+AEA-JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Kumar +ACY- Clark to be insitutionalised
ollowing on from previous postings about the issue of institutional
access
for the 6th edition of Kumar +ACY- Clark: Clinical Medicine, we have
reviewed
our policy and it is with pleasure that Elseviercan announce that
institutional access will be available on a subscription basis shortly
after
publication of the print edition.
Details on the content and pricing will be made available shortly. We
will
also be contacting existing customers of the 5th edition soon.
Tony McSean
Sirector of Library Relations
Elsevier
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