I put a reaction up at http://tomroper.typepad.com/tr/2005/11/
librarians_in_t.html
But that's a personal view. I may well do something as Chair of HLG .
Tom Roper
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On 3 Nov 2005, at 12:18, Veronica Murray wrote:
> well, I just rattled off a letter (by email) to the editor -
> doesn't take a minute. Maybe if we all did this they might print
> one; come on some of you sharp and witty ListMeds, it's your duty.
>
> This is what I said:
>
> In Society 3/11/2005, your feature, "What else can I do?" offered
> help to Tony, a 22 year old who has worked as a children's
> librarian for 5 years and is a member of CILIP. Tony is to be
> commended. As a child prodigy he must have begun his degree course
> at a maximum of 13 years of age. Then he would sit his masters
> degree at age 16 perhaps. What was his career choice? Pure
> mathematics, or artificial intelligence, or perhaps music? No,
> brilliant Tony was prodigious in the field of public librarianship.
> Good for him.
>
> The ignorance abounding in the advice proffered to poor Tony makes
> me blush to the roots of my hair, in a bashful librarian kind of
> way. Is it possible that your contributor doesn't know what s/he is
> talking about? In fact, could Tony also be fictitious?
>
> Why not toddle down to your Guardian library and talk to the people
> who work there. They might be able to tell you something about what
> librarians do and what qualifications they have. Or email them
> first, they'll probably be too busy to chat to you without a bit of
> notice.
>
> Yours sincerely, (brilliant, but not that brilliant) Veronica Murray.
>
>
>
>
> Veronica Murray [log in to unmask]
> Sub Librarian(Nursing)
> University of Paisley
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>
>>>> Jane Parry <[log in to unmask]> 11/03/05 11:32am >>>
>>>>
> indexing? catalogue keeping? might provide...?
>
> what about supporting patient care? info skills training? lit
> searches? clinical librarians? website development...?
>
> Jane Parry
> Library Services Manager
> Powys Local Health Board
> Personnel, Library & Training Centre
> Bronllys Hospital
> Bronllys
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> Telephone : 01874 712576
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> ________________________________
>
> From: UK medical/ health care library community / information
> workers on behalf of Nigel Brook
> Sent: Thu 03/11/2005 11:24
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: article in Guardian on working in libraries[AV Scanned]
>
>
>
> speaking as someone who was a graduate trainee in the Guardian
> Media Library, I think that the researcher probably approached the
> Library service for these figures... media librarians are obviously
> much wealthier than us humble public servants and have spent so
> much time sitting in the ivory tower that thney have totally lost
> touch with the rest of the profession... £25K entry indeed... I've
> got one staff member paid at that level, all the others are
> significantly lower... and great news for those of us who may have
> tired of a life of libraries, books or a life of service.. we can
> go and do the same thing somewhere else for about the same money..
> whooppeee dooo
>
> Nigel
>
> Library Services Manager
>
> George Eliot Hospital NHS Trust
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>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Derick Yates <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Derick Yates <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: article in Guardian on working in libraries[AV
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> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:05:50 -0000
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>
> He might want "new horizons" but the Guardian "career advisor"
> shows a distinct lack of imagination, they're all library jobs, I'm
> sure Tony could have worked out for himself that he could work in
> another library. And starting on £25K in the NHS! Can I have an
> application form for that library please?
>
>
>
> Derick Yates
>
> Training & Systems Librarian
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: UK medical/ health care library community / information
> workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alan Fricker
> Sent: 03 November 2005 10:57
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: article in Guardian on working in libraries[AV
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>
>
> I think we should be more impressed by the fact that Tony has
> managed to work as a children's librarian for five years and become
> a member of CILIP all by the tender age of 22. Clearly in a public
> library that believes in hiring them young.
>
>
>
> Alan Fricker
>
> Knowledge & Library Service Manager
>
> Newham University Hospital NHS Trust
>
> Glen Road, Plaistow
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> E13 8SL
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> www.newlib.demon.co.uk
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> Tel: 020 7363 8016
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UK medical/ health care library community / information
> workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gillian
> Foster
> Sent: 03 November 2005 10:42
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> Subject: Re: article in Guardian on working in libraries[AV
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>
>
> I'm impressed;
>
> a) that Tony earned £23K as a children's librarian; and
>
> b) that his research skills could command a minimum of £25K in
> the NHS.
>
> Perhaps I work for a different NHS?
>
> Gill
>
> Gill Foster
>
> Librarian
>
> NHS Direct (North East)
>
> Tel: 0191 270 5025
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> Fax: 0191 270 5060
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> Email: [log in to unmask]
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> From: UK medical/ health care library community / information
> workers [mailto:LIS-MEDICAL@JISCMAIL.AC...UK <mailto:LIS-
> [log in to unmask]> ] On Behalf Of Caroline Miller
> Sent: 02 November 2005 17:11
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: article in Guardian on working in libraries
>
> I thought list members might be interested to see this article
> from the Guardian today...
>
> What else can I do? http://society.guardian.co.uk/
> societyguardian/story/0,,1606088,00.html <http://
> society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1606088,00...html>
>
> Tony, 22, is a librarian and member of the Chartered Institute
> of Library and Information Professionals. After five years working
> in a children's library, on £23k, he wants new horizons
>
> Debbie Andalo
> Wednesday November 2, 2005
> The Guardian <http://www.guardian.co.uk/>
>
> 1 If Tony stays with a local authority, he could go down the
> management route, which would enhance his CV and give more options
> to pursue wider cultural management roles. As a librarian team
> manager responsible for staff and service development, he would
> maintain some customer contact. His salary would increase to a
> maximum £27,000.
>
> 2 Working in a prison or young offender institution would offer
> fresh challenges. A key part of the job would involve encouraging
> inmates to use the services, perhaps for the first time. The
> professional satisfaction would help compensate for a drop in
> salary, to around £22,000.
>
> 3 Tony's research skills could lead to employment as an NHS
> librarian. Many hospital trusts have onsite staff libraries to help
> keep clinicians up to date and boost the professional development
> of other staff. He would ensure information could be found easily
> through clear library indexing and catalogue keeping. Tony might
> also provide regular summaries of clinical journals for medical
> staff. He can expect at least £25,000.
>
> 4 With a less long-term view, Tony could become a freelance
> librarian working for government departments, local councils or non-
> governmental organisations. He could earn between £100 and £400 a
> day. His CILIP membership entitles him to register for an
> international job swap, which might create new career options or
> provide him with breathing space before deciding his next career move.
>
> 5 Most cathedrals have their own libraries. The salary varies
> but can be low because of a lack of funds. However, working as an
> assistant librarian at Lambeth Palace library, which is the
> historic record office of the Archbishop of Canterbury, offers up
> to £30,445. Tony's library and information studies qualification is
> essential, and he must be interested in ecclesiastical business.
>
>
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