Is anyone from CILIP listening?  Declare yourselves!

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Ileana Thomson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 20 December 2005 12:02
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP training


Giving one's point of view to the world is a starting point for a discussio
n
that's why this list exists and it doesn't always equates to whinging. Some
one
from CILIP must have seen all the replies by now on the list and I would ho
pe
they would pass the message on to the right person (the new leader possibly
).
Does this not mean we engaging with CILIP? We just need CILIP to engage 
with us
too now.
-- 
Ileana Thomson
Electronic Resources and Systems Librarian
South Manchester University Hospital NHS Trust
Wythenshawe Hospital
Southmoor Rd.
Manchester
M23 9LT
tel/fax: 0161 291 5780


Quoting Roddham Mike <[log in to unmask]>:

> Yes, but....  whinging on lis-medical achieves nothing except giving the
> world one's point-of-view  (like peeing in a wet-suit, you get a warm
> feeling but no-one notices).  To change the situation, you need to engage
> with CILIP, perhaps through the HLG, or organise local alternatives, or p
ut
> up with it.
>
> Mike Roddham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patterson, Lorna [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 20 December 2005 11:55
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CILIP training
>
>
> I don't think that contributors to this discussion are being negative at
> all. The very fact that it is being discussed and solutions to very real
> problems in a very real world of non-existant training budgets and very
> inflated training costs, are trying to be found. Surely a groups of
> librarians who are suggesting helping each other out and forming a mutual
> training network, emailing each other useful tips and links to further he
lp
> is very positive and what is so indicative of our profession as a whole. 
We
> want to find solutions to problems, and answers to enquiries. To suggest
> that contributors are not living in the real world because they object to
> paying over £400 for a training day on using Google hardly seems fai
r. The
> reality may be that that is how much training costs these days, but that
> certainly doean't make it right, justified or acceptable.
>
> I certainly don't think our profession is negative. I am always amazed at
> how dynamic and resourceful we come across as a profession, and not
> accepting these prices charged by CILIP seems a very worthwhile thing to 
do.
>
> Lorna Patterson
> Lorna Patterson, BA Hons MA MCLIP
> Family Information Librarian
> Children's Health Information Centre
> B Floor East Block
> Queen's Medical Centre
> Nottingham
> NG7 2UH
>
> Tel: 0115 9249924 ext 41883
> <mailto: [log in to unmask]>
> Please visit our website at www.chic-qmc.org.uk
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Goddard Brenda [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 20 December 2005 11:33
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: CILIP training
>
>
> As a comparison a member of my team recently attended some specialist IT
> training with a private training company.
>
> The cost was £464. Payment had to be in advance. Lunch not included.
>
> 50% cancellation fee if cancelled within 21 days
> 100% cancellation fee if cancelled within 7 days.
>
> Unfortunately the person booked could not attend and we were not allowed 
to
> attend on an alternative date unless we paid up the 50% cancellation fee.
> Obviously we sent an alternative member of staff to avoid this fee.
>
> Sometimes when I read the emails I get the feeling that some contributors
> are not in the real world.
>
> It is also disappointing and depressing that the profession seems to be s
o
> very negative. How can we expect to be respected as a profession when we
> always seem to be moaning.
>
> Brenda
>
>
>
>
> Library and Knowledge Services Manager
> Healthcare Library, Mailpoint 50
> Winchester and Eastleigh Healthcare NHS Trust
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> Winchester
> Hampshire SO22 5DG
> Tel: 01962 825709
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