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Re: article in Guardian on working in libraries

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"Weir, Helen" <[log in to unmask]>

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Weir, Helen

Date:

Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:31:27 +0000

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I am also wildly impressed that he is chartered at 22, and with 5 yrs 
experience as a children's librarian. Presumably that's post 
qualification, therefore he would have graduated at 17 with a BLib, or 
15/16 if postgrad qualified. Could it be (whisper it) a Grauniad 
misprint & he's really 32??

Helen Weir
Harrogate District Hospital

Paula Younger wrote:

> Though the BBC doesn’t pay that well, and a lot of BBC posts in 
> particular are being cut….!! I was also impressed by the fact he’d 
> managed to do so much by the tender age of 22….
>
> And in my world too, £25K and up is a very respectable salary indeed!!
>
> Paula Younger
>
> Electronic Resources Librarian
>
> Royal Devon & Exeter Hospital
>
> Peninsula Medical School
>
> Barrack Road
>
> Exeter
>
> EX1 2ED
>
> Tel: 01392 406729
>
> Fax: 01392 406728
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* UK medical/ health care library community / information 
> workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Nigel Brook
> *Sent:* 03 November 2005 11:25
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Subject:* Re: article in Guardian on working in libraries[AV Scanned]
>
> speaking as someone who was a graduate trainee in the Guardian Media 
> Library, I think that the researcher probably approached the Library 
> service for these figures... media librarians are obviously much 
> wealthier than us humble public servants and have spent so much time 
> sitting in the ivory tower that thney have totally lost touch with the 
> rest of the profession... £25K entry indeed... I've got one staff 
> member paid at that level, all the others are significantly lower... 
> and great news for those of us who may have tired of a life of 
> libraries, books or a life of service.. we can go and do the same 
> thing somewhere else for about the same money.. whooppeee dooo
>
> Nigel
>
> Library Services Manager
>
> George Eliot Hospital NHS Trust
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>     From: /Derick Yates <[log in to unmask]>/
>     Reply-To: /Derick Yates <[log in to unmask]>/
>     To: [log in to unmask]
>     Subject: /Re: article in Guardian on working in libraries[AV Scanned]/
>     Date: /Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:05:50 -0000/
>
>     He might want “new horizons” but the Guardian “career advisor”
>     shows a distinct lack of imagination, they’re all library jobs,
>     I’m sure Tony could have worked out for himself that he could work
>     in another library. And starting on £25K in the NHS! Can I have an
>     application form for that library please?
>
>     **Derick Yates**
>
>     //Training & Systems Librarian//
>
>     //BHSN Library Management System Administrator//
>
>     Trust Library and Information Service
>
>     Birmingham Women's Health Care NHS Trust
>
>     Metchley Park Lane
>
>     Edgbaston
>
>     BIRMINGHAM
>
>     B15 2TG
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>     Tel: 0121 472 1377 extension 8746
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>     Direct Dial Tel: 0121 627 5846
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>     Fax: 0121 623 6922
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* UK medical/ health care library community / information
>     workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Alan
>     Fricker
>     *Sent:* 03 November 2005 10:57
>     *To:* [log in to unmask]
>     *Subject:* Re: article in Guardian on working in libraries[AV Scanned]
>
>     I think we should be more impressed by the fact that Tony has
>     managed to work as a children’s librarian for five years and
>     become a member of CILIP all by the tender age of 22. Clearly in a
>     public library that believes in hiring them young.
>
>     Alan Fricker
>
>     Knowledge & Library Service Manager
>
>     Newham University Hospital NHS Trust
>
>     Glen Road, Plaistow
>
>     E13 8SL
>
>     www.newlib.demon.co.uk
>
>     Tel: 020 7363 8016
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* UK medical/ health care library community / information
>     workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Gillian
>     Foster
>     *Sent:* 03 November 2005 10:42
>     *To:* [log in to unmask]
>     *Subject:* Re: article in Guardian on working in libraries[AV Scanned]
>
>     I’m impressed;
>
>     a) that Tony earned £23K as a children’s librarian; and
>
>     b) that his research skills could command a minimum of £25K in the
>     NHS.
>
>     Perhaps I work for a different NHS?
>
>     Gill
>
>     *Gill Foster*
>
>     Librarian
>
>     NHS Direct (North East)
>
>     Tel: 0191 270 5025
>
>     Fax: 0191 270 5060
>
>     Email: [log in to unmask]
>
>     *From:* UK medical/ health care library community / information
>     workers [mailto:LIS-MEDICAL@JISCMAIL.AC...UK
>     <mailto:[log in to unmask]>]* **On Behalf Of* Caroline Miller
>     *Sent:* 02 November 2005 17:11
>     *To:* [log in to unmask]
>     *Subject:* article in Guardian on working in libraries
>
>     I thought list members might be interested to see this article
>     from the Guardian today…
>
>     *What else can I do?*
>     http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1606088,00.html
>     <http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1606088,00...html>
>
>     Tony, 22, is a librarian and member of the Chartered Institute of
>     Library and Information Professionals. After five years working in
>     a children's library, on £23k, he wants new horizons
>
>     *Debbie Andalo
>     Wednesday November 2, 2005
>     **The Guardian* <http://www.guardian.co.uk/>
>
>     *1* If Tony stays with a local authority, he could go down the
>     management route, which would enhance his CV and give more options
>     to pursue wider cultural management roles. As a librarian team
>     manager responsible for staff and service development, he would
>     maintain some customer contact. His salary would increase to a
>     maximum £27,000.
>
>     *2* Working in a prison or young offender institution would offer
>     fresh challenges. A key part of the job would involve encouraging
>     inmates to use the services, perhaps for the first time. The
>     professional satisfaction would help compensate for a drop in
>     salary, to around £22,000.
>
>     *3* Tony's research skills could lead to employment as an NHS
>     librarian. Many hospital trusts have onsite staff libraries to
>     help keep clinicians up to date and boost the professional
>     development of other staff. He would ensure information could be
>     found easily through clear library indexing and catalogue keeping.
>     Tony might also provide regular summaries of clinical journals for
>     medical staff. He can expect at least £25,000.
>
>     *4* With a less long-term view, Tony could become a freelance
>     librarian working for government departments, local councils or
>     non-governmental organisations. He could earn between £100 and
>     £400 a day. His CILIP membership entitles him to register for an
>     international job swap, which might create new career options or
>     provide him with breathing space before deciding his next career
>     move.
>
>     *5* Most cathedrals have their own libraries. The salary varies
>     but can be low because of a lack of funds. However, working as an
>     assistant librarian at Lambeth Palace library, which is the
>     historic record office of the Archbishop of Canterbury, offers up
>     to £30,445. Tony's library and information studies qualification
>     is essential, and he must be interested in ecclesiastical business.
>
>     Caroline Miller/ //BA (Hons) MA MCLIP
>     /Information Specialist
>
>     Clinical and Public Health Directorate
>     National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE)
>     MidCity Place
>     71 High Holborn
>     London
>     WC1V 6NA
>
>     Tel: +44 (0)20 7067 5865
>     Fax:+44 (0)20 7067 5801
>     Main switchboard: +44 (0)20 7067 5800
>     Email: caroline.miller@nice..org.uk
>     Website: http://www.nice.org.uk
>
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