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Subject: VICTORIA Digest - 22 Jun 2005 to 23 Jun 2005 (#2005-172)
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Topics of the day:
1. 19th-century comments on fictional speculators
2. moral and physical philosophy
3. Thanks--Vegetarianism and Politics
4. george eliot and burke (3)
5. Special Swinburne Issue of VP: Call for Submissions
6. letters of condolence
7. Mentions of the cinematograph in fiction
8. Professing English
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:29:47 +0800
From: Tamara Wagner <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: 19th-century comments on fictional speculators
Dear List-Members,
Hope you can help me with this: I'm looking for any
comments on or reviews of speculators, swindlers, or
fraudsters (including impostors in inheritance
disputes as well as stockbrokers &c.) in Victorian
fiction. Any references to Victorian reviews of books
or essays on the use of speculation more generally, or
particularly in the context of the developing novel
genre? Where do I find different reviews of the works
of Catherine Gore, Mary Elizabeth Braddon, and Ellen
Wood, for example? As I'm preparing for my research
leave, I'm trying to write down a list of periodicals,
newspapers, &c, to complement the long list of novels
already on it. Any suggestions or (re)search advice
(off-list) would be very welcome indeed, especially as
regards preparations I could do in advance. Apologies
if this sounds vague, but I've got some vague memory
of having once read just the kind of review (on
speculation as a new idea for a plot) that I need now,
but how do I search for it best?
Tamara
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:37:55 +0200
From: Anton Kirchhofer <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: moral and physical philosophy
The Victorian use of the term philosophy, as in physical philosophy or moral
philosophy, seems to be rooted in an older organisation of knowledge (along
the lines of the four university faculties: theology, law, medicine,
philosophy). Both our 'natural sciences' and our historical disciplines, in
this sense, are later developments of individual branches of philosophy.
Without having gone back to check a lot of material, my sense is that (in
addition to ethics) moral philosophy could be used to cover rather an
extensive area, including what we might range today under psychology and
sociology.
The coupling of physical and moral philosophy suggests to me something like
'the study of nature' on theone hand and 'the study of man' on the other
('man' in the sense that Foucault elaborated and historicised in _The Order
of Things_). The term 'moral sciences' was certainly used to refer to the
'sciences of man.'
Having said this, a little information on the context you have in mind might
perhaps be helpful, since "the Victorians" in aggregate, like ourselves, may
probably have use the same terms to refer to vastly different things. How
you use these terms might even be an indication of where you stood
ideologically (I say this a propos of a random example that comes to hand:
this is from the Quarterly Review:
"It has resulted from such ultra-scientific views as those of Mr. Mill ...
that the very notion of a moral ideal has been ignored by many recent
thinkers, and the title of moral philosophy has been usurped by a historical
psychology, that is, by theories respecting the feelings and habits of men
in past ages." ("John Stuart Mill and his School," Quarterly Review 133,
July 1872, 118)
Best,
Anton Kirchhofer
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:24:10 -0500
From: Tamar Heller <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Thanks--Vegetarianism and Politics
Many thanks for the prompt and very helpful responses to my query about
vegetarianism and politics. If you'll forgive me for saying so, you've all
given me something to sink my teeth into! (Or does that sound like too
carnivorous a metaphor?)
Tamar Heller
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:17:44 +0100
From: "R.J. Jenkins" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: george eliot and burke
greetings.
i need some help tracking down when exactly it was that george eliot read
burke, and what exactly it was that she read. i know she read him, and i
know there are references in the letters, but i cannot find them. need, in
particular, to know when she read the sublime and the beautiful. any help
would be most greatly appreciated.
best,
r.j. jenkins
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:00:07 -0500
From: rpeterse <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: george eliot and burke
This is just a suggestion, but I would start with
THE JOURNALS OF GEORGE ELIOT, edited for Cambridge
UP in 1998, by Margaret Harris and Judith Johnston.
It is beautifully indexed and has helpful notes.
I looked at it a week or so ago to check something
about Eliot and Lewes and found that she notes her
reading--Hawthorne's THE SCARLET LETTER, among other
things--very frequently.
Bob Petersen
Robert C. Petersen
Associate Professor
Department of English
Middle Tennessee State University
Murfreesboro, Tennessee
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:48:17 EDT
From: Susan Hoyle <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: george eliot and burke
The _Oxford Reader's Companion to GE_ gives the following references to
Burke from her work (numerals after fiction refs are chapter nos, or
book-chapter
nos):
"Twice in 1852-3 she quotes his 'self-interest well understood' from
_Reflections on the Revolution in France_, repeating the phrase later to John
Blackwood in 1860 (Letters iii 312). Oliver Goldsmith's satire on Burke
is also
quoted (Letters v 169). In _The Mill on the Floss_ (4.3) there is a
reference
to Burke's 'grand dirge' over the 'days of chivalry', in _Felix Holt, the
Radical_ (23) the Revd Augustus Debarry threatens to quote a telling passage
from Burke on the Dissenters, while in _Middlemarch_ (46) Mr Brooke wishes he
had a pocket borough to give Ladislaw, there having been always one available
for Burke when he wanted to re-enter Parliament."
hth
Susan
Susan Ryley Hoyle
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:21:01 -0400
From: Terry Meyers <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Special Swinburne Issue of VP: Call for Submissions
To commemorate the centenary of the death of Algernon Charles Swinburne =20=
(1837-1909), Terry Meyers and Rikky Rooksby will edit a special issue =20=
(Spring 2009) of Victorian Poetry dedicated to the life and works of =20
the poet.=A0=A0=A0The editors seek for consideration essays of every =
sort, =20
critical, biographical, and bibliographic.=A0They set no particular =20
requirements beyond lucidity and interest.
Deadline:=A0April 5, 2007.=A0Direct inquiries and other correspondence =
to =20
Terry Meyers <[log in to unmask]> or =A0Rikky Rooksby =20
<[log in to unmask]>.
>Rikky Rooksby and I would be grateful to have this call for =20
submissions circulated as widely as >possible so please feel free to =20
forward it to possible contributors or to newsletters etc. that I might =20=
>not have thought of. Thanks. TLM
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Terry L. Meyers Phone: 757-221-3932
English Department Fax: 757-221-1844
College of William and Mary
Williamsburg VA 23187-8795=
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:35:59 -0400
From: mary millar <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: letters of condolence
Thank you to all who replied to my question. There seems to be consensus =
that the sooner after the death, the more proper. Perhaps Disraeli was =
being over punctilious in hesitating to intrude.
Mary Millar
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:33:30 +0100
From: Luke McKernan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Mentions of the cinematograph in fiction
The film historian Stephen Bottomore has done a lot of research in this
area, and I should imagine that he would have a fairly comprehensive list of
the earliest fictional representations of the cinema (I'm sure he's written
an article on the subject, but I've not been able to locate it). Much of
what Bottomore has found is magazine stories, often around the theme of
someone's real-life misdemeanours being discovered on the screen. I can put
you in touch with him if you cantact me off list.
The earliest story I know is "The Kinetoscope of Time", by Brander Matthews,
for Scribner's Magazine, December 1895. It's reproduced in George Pratt's
"Spellbound in Darkness", and discussed in depth in Mary Ann Doane's "The
Emergence of Cinematic Time". One of the earliest stories on the
cinematograph must be Maxim Gorky's "Revenge" (not sure of the date, but
1896-ish), which was inspired by his seeing Lumiere films in 1896. The story
tells of a prostitute who kills herself after seeing a Lumiere film
depicting happy family life. A much-cited example is "The Cinematograph
Train", a short story from 1904 by G.E. Farrow, about a child's fantastical
impressions of the cinema.
Luke
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Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:59:43 EDT
From: Robert Lapides <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Professing English
Dear List:
In response to my inquiries about close reading, Al Drake referred
me (off-list) to Gerald Graff's "Professing English," an excellent
history of American higher education and in particular of how the
study of literature changed in the U.S. from the mid-19C to our own
time. Graff delineates the conflicts in English departments between
humanists and philologists, genteel amateurs and practical
bureaucrats, generalists and scientific professionals, scholars
and critics, and so on.
Although Graff refers to the influence of German university professors
on American colleges, he makes no extended reference to British
universities. Does anyone know of a comparable study of how the
teaching of English literature first developed and then evolved in the UK?
(I've read Chris Baldick's and Terry Eagleton's books on the social
bases of literary criticism.)
Thanks again for any help.
Bob Lapides
bmcc, cuny
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